Hi Camilo, Paolo, Mukul, and GROW WG,

Thank you for updating the draft to version -01 and simplifying the statistics 
treatment.

However, we have serious operational concerns regarding a specific requirement 
currently stated in the draft:

"If a change to BMP export filtering changes the set of routes reported for a 
RIB view, the sender MUST send a Peer Down Notification followed by a Peer Up 
Notification before reporting the changed RIB view."

Basing export filtering adjustments on Peer Down / Peer Up notifications 
introduces significant operational and performance issues in real-world 
large-scale networks:

1. Unintended Flapping and Interference Across Address Families:
A single BGP session often carries multiple AFI/SAfIs (e.g., IPv4 Unicast, IPv6 
Unicast, BGP-VPN, etc.). If a filtering policy changes for only one specific 
address family, forcing a Peer Down and Peer Up notification for the entire BGP 
session will unnecessarily disrupt and resynchronize unaffected address 
families, leading to false alarms and state inconsistency at the monitoring 
station (BMS).

2. Severe Performance and Memory Burden on Collectors:
In production environments, a single BGP session can easily maintain hundreds 
of thousands or even millions of routing entries. Triggering a Peer Down and 
Peer Up cycle due to a minor filtering adjustment forces the collector (Server) 
to first flush all existing routes and then re-add millions of entries. This 
causes unnecessary CPU spikes, memory churn, and potential processing 
backpressure on the monitoring station.

3. False Semantic Interpretation of BGP Session Status:
BMP Peer Down and Peer Up notifications fundamentally represent the lifecycle 
of the underlying monitored BGP session itself. Emulating session flaps simply 
because of export filter updates misleads operators and automated assurance 
systems into believing the actual BGP peer relationship has dropped and 
re-established, masking true network health events.

Proposal:
Instead of abusing Peer Down / Peer Up mechanisms for filter policy 
adjustments, we suggest exploring alternative, more granular approaches (or 
clarifying that adjustments should be handled gracefully without tearing down 
the peer session context, similar to how dynamic capability or 
soft-reconfiguration mechanisms work).

We would appreciate the authors' and the working group's thoughts on this.

Best Regards,
Shunwan

From: Camilo Cardona <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2026 11:02 PM
To: grow <[email protected]>
Subject: [GROW] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered-01.txt

Hello grow,

We submitted a new version of draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered.

The main change of this version relates to an email Paolo Lucente sent in this 
group a while ago: there is no coordinated treatment of BMP statistics across 
the different RIBs and new TLVs. Each one is doing its own thing, and it is 
hard to steer this without global coordiation that should also include what 
operators actually use from BMP statistics.

Since this is a document that is, on purpose, simple, we don't want to propose 
anything different or solve the above problem. We therefore decided to simplify 
everything related to BMP statistics and make the F flag consistent with the 
already standardized O flag over the same RIBs. The draft now proposes not 
modifying any BMP statistics semantics at all: the F flag is unset in 
Statistics Report messages and should be ignored. More global and coordinated 
work can modify this in the future, if needed.

Besides that, we clarified some of the text, made explicit that describing the 
filters is outside the scope of the document (added the BMP YANG draft as an 
informative reference for this); removed unneeded draft dependencies; and 
updated the Security Considerations.
Thanks,
Camilo & Paolo & Mukul



De: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Para: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
CC: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Fecha: jue, 15 oct 2026 18:31:39 -0500
Asunto: [GROW] I-D Action: draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered-01.txt

Internet-Draft draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered-01.txt is now available.
It is a work item of the Global Routing Operations (GROW) WG of the IETF.

Title: Filtering Adj-Rib-In and Adj-Rib-Out to BMP receivers
Authors: Paolo Lucente
Camilo Cardona
Mukul Srivastava
Name: draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered-01.txt
Pages: 5
Dates: 2026-10-15

Abstract:

Filtering RIBs in BMP (BGP Monitoring Protocol) can be desirable for
several use-cases like, for example, limiting the amount of data a
collector station has to process or allow a sender to export only a
certain afi/safi of interest. This document defines an indicator to
inform a collector station that a Adj-Rib-In or Adj-Rib-Out data feed
is being filtered at the BMP exporter. This document updates RFC
7854.

The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered/

There is also an HTMLized version available at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered-01

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered-01

Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at:
rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts


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