I'm sorry, but his first point is about crash logs. We have not seen a single 
crash log from Mike. So if he was running into crashers, and we aren't getting 
them from him, that's my biggest concern. Obviously we want to address that 
first, over anything else. 

The UDP protocol growltalk was never, ever, guaranteed to be running. It's not 
a dependable protocol to use, it never was, and quite frankly it never worked 
right even for me. Mike's app is not a consumer of GNTP though except via 
virtue of using the framework. This was not the concern he was bringing up, and 
without further explanation from him we can't know for sure what his concern 
really is. Sandboxing is something that Growl really needed to do, since it 
interacts with so many applications. Not implementing Sandboxing would really 
have been irresponsible of us.

However, nowhere in his post does he mention:

- GrowlTalk.
- GNTP
- Sandboxing

I'm however concerned about why you switched versus using the framework that 
includes NC support. If you could expand on that I'd appreciate it. 

-- 
Chris Forsythe
@The_Tick (http://twitter.com/The_Tick)


On Sunday, December 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Josh Wright wrote:

> Not wanting to start anything here, but most of Mike's concerns have been 
> raised on here by many other developers - especially those around Sandboxing 
> and the terrible issues around breaking compatibility with earlier versions 
> of Growl.  The dropping of GrowlNet over the more complex GNTP has been 
> frustrating too.
> 
> The other side of the coin is that, while ML's built-in Notification Center 
> is less flexible than Growl, it's a core part of the operating system and 
> therefore has better support.
> 
> I only post this as there's been a lot of "I can't believe it" type comments 
> and, as a long time Growl developer who's now switched to NC, I can 
> sympathise with Mike.
> 
> Josh
> 
> On 23 Dec 2012, at 17:52, Chris Forsythe <[email protected] 
> (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> 
> > We heard nothing from Mike at all on any of his concerns until this blog 
> > post. I've contacted him directly to see if we can address his issues. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Chris Forsythe
> > @The_Tick (http://twitter.com/The_Tick)
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, December 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Dan wrote:
> > 
> > > This is disappointing.
> > > 
> > > http://help.bombich.com/discussions/questions/19631-ccc-352-growl-support-removed-for-mountain-lion-users
> > > 
> > > Are you'all working to address the problems Mike Bombich has 
> > > encountered with Growl?
> > > 
> > > I'm wondering if the Dropbox developers are having the same types of 
> > > problems? At this point, they've disabled Growl in their forum 
> > > releases (alpha/beta test).
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > - Dan.
> > > -- 
> > > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth.
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