On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 05:06:53PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hmm, well people will still be able to use ESC to get the grub boot
> menu, rather then the firmware boot-menu on those.
> 
> The problem is that our current check for ESC only approach is problematic
> because it conflicts with the enter firmware-setup key on almost all Bay 
> Trail,
> Cherry Trail and Apollo Lake devices. You need to try hard to find a device
> in one of those 3 categories which does not use ESC for this. Note I'm
> aware some devices exist, but using ESC for this is really really common
> among these devices.
> 
> I'm open to other suggestions, but I think we really need to add another
> key to avoid the pressing ESC at boot already has another meaning problem
> and F8 seems like an ok choice.
> 
> Either way thank you for the input on this.

I don't disagree about having another key, I just disagree that F8 is
a good choice.

Looking at https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=58779#here it appears no one
uses F4 for anything.  That would seem like a better choice than F8
at least.  F6 also seems to be free but F4 seems nicer on desktop
keyboards.

-- 
Len Sorensen

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