The sole fact that we are having a discussion in these terms is a bit shameful,
I think no one in this list has the right to say Gtk+ is the GIMP or the GNOME toolkit. Gtk+ is _a_ toolkit with many contributors that contribute for various reasons, all of those are valid, and sometimes compromises have to be made. Most of the contributors are GNOME developers and very few if none of the core/active developers runs Windows or Mac OS X or other DEs on a daily basis have pushed Gtk+ to be a toolkit mostly targeted to the Linux desktop and more specifically towards GNOME. Aligning the resources that we have to make Gtk+ a great toolkit for GNOME is a worthwhile effort, and I am certainly glad that we are ready to sacrifice certain "cross-platformness" for the sake of shining in Linux and GNOME. Trying to be everything to everyone, specially when we have scarce resources is a disaster and the cause for Gtk+ to be stagnant for longer than it should. Besides all of this, the particular change in question affects app users and application developers of non GNOME environments for very little gain in our side (Ryan already raised up this point in a previous email), did we really need to start ignoring this XSetting before 4.0? I haven't seen a compelling answer to this question yet other than "if it's not running in GNOME we don't care", maybe the application writers do care...? 2013/10/9 Andrew W. Nosenko <[email protected]>: > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Bastien Nocera <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 22:45 +0200, Michael Natterer wrote: >>> On 10/09/2013 10:40 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >>> > On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 22:14 +0200, Olivier Brunel wrote: >>> >> Ok, but this isn't about a change in GNOME, but in GTK. And the >>> >> default >>> >> for those options was still TRUE a few days ago in GTK 3.8 >>> > >>> > As we're on this subject, I think it's pretty clear, from the committers >>> > to where the mailing-lists are hosted that GTK+ is the GNOME toolkit. >>> > People deeply involved in other desktops that rely on GTK+ should try to >>> > get more involved in decisions made for the GNOME toolkit. >>> >>> Oh please, not this silly "GNOME Toolkit" stuff again. GIMP runs on >>> windows and osx, so do many other applications. So please... >> >> They're GTK+ apps running on Windows and OS X, not Windows apps, or OSX >> apps. >> > > Bastien, excuse me, but Michael's reference to The GIMP was a hint > that GTK (with or without '+' -- no matter), stands for The GIMP > Toolkit. GIMP, not GNOME. > Proof: http://www.gtk.org/ > > -- > Andrew W. Nosenko <[email protected]> > _______________________________________________ > gtk-devel-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz _______________________________________________ gtk-devel-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
