Well, it's not that the ripping software is broken, but rather that expectations are too high.
CD ripping software reads each track off the CD, and creates an mp3 file from that track. It ignores the pauses between tracks. So, when you go to replay the album later, what you're actually doing is replying each track, in the same order they were in on the original album. There's no way for the mp3 player to know if the album originally had pauses between the tracks. Does that make sense? Jim On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 08:12:27PM -0700, Robert C wrote: > That may be it Jim. I only rip my cd's, I dont generally do > anything else to my music. Now that you mention it, it may not > really be a BS issue but the ripping software. So its not really > the players that screw things up but the ripping software. Am I > right on that? > > Quote of the nanosecond. . . > Don't leave home without it. > --American Express > Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > E-mail- > [email protected] > Home Page- > http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <[email protected]> > To: "Robert C" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Rod Gowen" <[email protected]>; "EVAN REESE" > <[email protected]>; "GW-micro" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: When to insert pauses between recordings (was Re: > [GW-Booksense] New Voices, Features, and then Some) > > > >The original recording scheme gets screwed when the CD gets ripped > >into mp3s. > > > >There's no mp3 player that gets this right out of the box. > > > >The iPod comes closest, but it stores some meta data about the album, > >which indicates if it's gapless or not. > > > >No standard mp3 player gets this right, that includes the stream, zen > >stone, and the booksense. > > > >BTW, I'm sorry if I mistated anyone's message. > > > >Jim > > > >On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 04:52:02PM -0700, Robert C wrote: > >> Never said it was clear cut. But, if this is not an issue when > >>playing a cd in a cd player but the same files copied to the BS > >>changes how the album is played back, then its a bug. And as I > >>stated before, I dont believe I want an option to enable or disable > >>this. Rather, I want the BS to play albums as they are mastered. > >>When I had records, this was never an issue. Studuo recordings had > >>sepcrate tracks for each song. Live recordings were a single track > >>as they should be. > >> > >> Why should it matter if the BS can tell the difference? It > >>should honor the original recording scheme. > >> > >>Quote of the nanosecond. . . > >>"There are twelve months in the year. > >>That's kind of cool, because it makes > >>life a little more predictable." > >>--Brian Auten > >>Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > >>E-mail- > >>[email protected] > >>Home Page- > >>http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <[email protected]> > >>To: "Robert C" <[email protected]> > >>Cc: "Rod Gowen" <[email protected]>; "EVAN REESE" > >><[email protected]>; "GW-micro" <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:02 PM > >>Subject: When to insert pauses between recordings (was Re: > >>[GW-Booksense] New Voices, Features, and then Some) > >> > >> > >>>This is not as clear cut as you'd like it to be. > >>> > >>>Of course, live recordings and audiobooks sound better if there's no > >>>pause inserted between tracks. > >>> > >>>The problem is that the booksense doesn't know if you're listening to > >>>something that should have a pause inserted or not. > >>> > >>>How would you like it if your studio recordings, playlist entries, and > >>>anything with random playback, were smushed together with no pause? > >>> > >>>There are several ways to solve this, none of them perfect. > >>> > >>>* Leave things the way they are. > >>>* Change it so that there is never a gap between songs. > >>>* Come up with a global "insert pause between recordings" option. > >>>* Come of with a way of indicating which albums are gapless. > >>> > >>>I consider this a feature request, not the urgent bug this thread is > >>>trying to make it out to be. > >>> > >>>Jim > >>> > >>>On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 01:40:50PM -0700, Robert C wrote: > >>>> I have not looked at this too much, got my BS back from the shop > >>>>yesterday. > >>>> > >>>> I dont mind the pauses in the studio recordings as someone > >>>>pointed out. > >>>> > >>>> But for the live albums, I am guessing that the programming in > >>>>the BS is written to look for a certain amount of "quiet" and kicks > >>>>in a pause at that point. > >>>> > >>>> I dont believe this should be an option. I believe that the BS > >>>>should play such media as it was orginally recorded. > >>>> > >>>>Quote of the nanosecond. . . > >>>>How do you tell when you're out of invisible ink? > >>>>--Steven Wright > >>>>Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > >>>>E-mail- > >>>>[email protected] > >>>>Home Page- > >>>>http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Gowen" <[email protected]> > >>>>To: "EVAN REESE" <[email protected]>; "GW-micro" > >>>><[email protected]> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 1:29 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: [GW-Booksense] New Voices, Features, and then Some > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>>I am in full agreement with this. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>The Book Sense firmware for the player does not have the right to > >>>>>change how the recordings were made. > >>>>>There is no reason for it to insert a pause for any reason! > >>>>>This is one that is a real no brainer when it comes to listening > >>>>>to live performances and audio books ripped from CD audio books. > >>>>> > >>>>>This is one that the programmers at HIMS need to remove from the > >>>>>firmware, or, maybe put it into the playback options as a "add > >>>>>pause" or "do not add pause" option if they think it even needs to > >>>>>be there at all! > >>>>> > >>>>>Rod > >>>>> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "EVAN REESE" > >>>>><[email protected]> > >>>>>To: "GW-micro" <[email protected]> > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 1:08 PM > >>>>>Subject: Re: [GW-Booksense] New Voices, Features, and then Some > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>The pause between tracks may be fine for many albums, however > >>>>>>there are many others that are intended to be heard > >>>>>>continuously, even though the tracks may have separate titles. > >>>>>>When I first mentioned this issue here, Raul mentioned Pink > >>>>>>Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon as a particular example where the > >>>>>>pause between tracks diminishes the listening experience. I can > >>>>>>think of many others, both in the classic rock genre as well as > >>>>>>in several subgenres of electronic music where the pause between > >>>>>>tracks negatively affects the listening experience. And, as I > >>>>>>said, many albums were not intended to be heard with pauses > >>>>>>between tracks; so the Book Sense should not be inserting one. > >>>>>>Whether there is a pause between tracks is something that should > >>>>>>be left up to the creators of the music. Any portable CD player > >>>>>>can play a CD the way it was intended to be heard, that is, > >>>>>>without pauses between tracks if that is the way its creator > >>>>>>wanted it to be heard. The Book Sense should function the same > >>>>>>way for albums that were ripped from CD's. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Evan > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Weyler" > >>>>>><[email protected]> > >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>Cc: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:23 PM > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [GW-Booksense] New Voices, Features, and then Some > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>I like the pause between tracks although it has been awhile > >>>>>>>since I have played any music so I can't remember how long the > >>>>>>>pause is. I do like a pause between tracks. > >>>>>>>Rita > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>-- >>>Email services provided by the System Access Mobile > >>>>Network. > >>>>>>>Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility > >>>>>>>anywhere. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the > >>>>>>original sender only. 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