Hello all, I think that you people who believe that GWMicro has the largest following because they're the best are fooling yourselves. Chris, I have seen these issues on multiple machines with multiple operating systems with multiple hardware/software configurations, and I have seen more messages on this very list by more than one person with the same issues. Also, if you recall my message, I know that GWMicro hasn't released a paid upgrade in a long time. But I also know that JAWS just got an interface change. I know that JAWS, in the past year or two, got a tandem feature. I know that other screen readers have just now gotten or have been working with UIA. I am glad that UIA support is there now. I am glad that window-eyes might be more efficient to navigate with the new interface, but I can tell you that I would not want to navigate an interface of a program that has lock-ups, internet support problems, lack of dynamic page support, etc etc. Sorry, but I stand by my position. I am willing to change my mind and reconsider, but I need some very strong statements to sway my mind and change my decision.
Thanks Nimer J On 01/02/2011, Chris Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > When you have the problem, you'll know. I get lockups fairly often. If > I walk off and come back in five minutes it may be fine, or I may have > to reboot it. I've reinstalled from scratch with no help. I think > these sorts of problems are much more important than a new interface > (didn't the competition recently get a new interface?). I also don't > really care about free support for something like the tandem feature of > another screen reader, the people I try to help are sighted and don't > have screen readers installed. Now if they'd support the remote > desktop-like features of msn, or maybe something like team view, I'd be > excited. > > Another place where I get problems is writing messages in firefox, > sometimes it is fine, other times I have to turn off auto-load and then > turn off browse mode in order to write. Only common thing I can find is > that it always works fine on the first message. > > > > > > On 2/1/2011 17:15, Scott Rumery wrote: >> I think that this is being a bit hard on GW Micro. I understand that >> some people are having some browse mode issues, but what the problem is >> exactly, I do not know. I am running WE 7.2 here on my Windows 7 Home >> Premium 32 bit machine, and I have not had any issues with browse mode. >> If I am missing something, then I apolagize. >> I for one am really looking forward to the release of the 7.5 Beta 1. I >> have listened to the Guess What podcast and I like what I am hearing so >> far. I think that having a new and easier user interface will help the >> Window Eyes newbies when they decide to make a screen reader change. I >> think that to say that GW Micro is beginning to go down the same road as >> their competitor by releasing an update in order to make money in my >> opinion is not even close to the truth. How long has it been since the >> last paid for upgrade? It has been more than 2 years, and in that same >> time the competition has probably released at least 2 if not 3 paid for >> upgrades. I still believe that GW Micro's main focus is on the >> satisfaction of their customers, and to me that makes all the difference >> in the world... >> >> Scott >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Nimer Jaber" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:11 PM >> To: "Steve Pattison" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "GW Info" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Guess What? - Window-Eyes 7.5 Beta 1 - New User Interface >> >>> Hello Steve and all, >>> >>> I've read this guess what thingy and I've listened to the blind >>> bargains podcast. I have used and recommended window-eyes to others >>> for some time now, and have enjoyed the stability that window-eyes >>> used to offer. I am also on the mentor list of GWMicro. However I >>> can't recommend this product any further. I am really amazed that >>> browse mode hasn't been fixed yet. Aria isn't new. Dynamic pages >>> aren't new. Having a layout that allows a user to see how a page is >>> displayed to a sighted user possibly allowing for faster navigation >>> isn't a new or revolutionary idea either. However, window-eyes doesn't >>> have these essential features. When GWMicro released scripting, I was >>> really looking forward to continued use and stability but the >>> scripting engine, on my machine and others that I've talked to, is >>> unstable and scripts still either slow down or completely lock up >>> window-eyes. Just having scripting enabled slows down performance of >>> window-eyes. Many apps _are not being supported out of the box, and if >>> they are, they are extremely cumbersome. My hope that UIA support will >>> help change some of this, and that GWMicro will get their act >>> together, stop trying to make money, and work on browse mode. I am not >>> a full-time programmer, and GWMicro has not offered a paid upgrade in >>> sometime. They've given many free upgrades to their users. I >>> understand the need to generate income. But it seems to me that >>> GWMicro is starting to go down the same path that their main >>> competitor is going down, which is to offer upgrades that aren't >>> adding screen reading features while possibly changing the look or the >>> way something is done. I haven't seen list messages requesting an >>> interface change. Does this mean that they haven't gotten some >>> requests? No. Will the new interface make things easier for users to >>> use window-eyes? Possibly, possibly not. Only time will tell. But even >>> if it does, making your product usable so that the interface can serve >>> a purpose seems to me like a more logical decision. You can't drive a >>> car without an engine if the first thing you put on is the paint. >>> Worry about the look and feel and interface _after you got your >>> product working and as stable as it possibly can be, to make sure that >>> you follow the mission statement. >>> >>> Thanks, and I really hope that window-eyes eight will fix up >>> window-eyes so that it can continue to be the most stable screen >>> reader on the market. I would love to continue supporting GWMicro, but >>> it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so. >>> >>> Nimer J >>> >>> On 01/02/2011, Steve Pattison <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> After reading the first in the "Guess what" series for WE 7.5 I'm really >>>> looking forward to the new interface. I think the new interface will >>>> make WE easier to use and also cause WE to look more like other Windows >>>> programs visually for a sighted person who might be teaching people how >>>> to use WE. Also for those who remember or are interested in historical >>>> trivia this new interface breaks the link with the old interface that >>>> was based on Vocal-Eyes! But I think it's time for this change. >>>> >>>> Regards Steve >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>>> Skype: steve1963 >>>> Twitter: steve9782 >>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender >>>> only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is >>>> related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to >>>> [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. >>>> >>>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. 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