Yeah, that's sort of the problem here.  Rick had some pretty good insight on 
this, but he didn't reply to the list for some reason.  God, that's why I wish 
that reply would just go to the list, but I understand why it doesn't.  I mean, 
you have a very good point here.   Why can't the manufacturer's (GW Micro 
included), simply choose to support all types of aplications?  Heck, they give 
us RDP for free like the rest of the world!  That's more than FS ever did and 
ever will do.  What would be so hard about supporting .net grid controls?  
That's the problem with SQL Server '08.  According to Rick, the problem is .net 
grid controls which WE doesn't support.  I mean, could this lack of support 
simply be a limitation that Microsoft has imposed on the ability to program 
against SQL Server?  Another good example of this is that WE doesn't support 
reading protected word documents very well with editing restricted.  I asked 
support about this, and they told me that it is due to a limitation in the 
document object model not allowing them to have WE reach that such 
configuration.  In response, I promptly took action and spoke to Microsoft's 
accessibility advocate directly.  She is absent for the beginning of this week, 
but I have never seen somebody more sincere.  Should I speak to her about this 
one as well?  That's if this is a limitation issue rather than GW simply 
choosing not to support certain types of controls?  And not to mention, why are 
certain control types discriminated against anyway in the screen reader 
manufacturing business?

From: David McLean [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:36 AM
To: Katherine Moss
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SQL Server database creation: WE only reads part of the dialog

Unfortunately most of the work done by the two major screen readers seems to be 
directed toward making consumer entertainment applications work not those used 
by people who are actually employed.  It's been a bone of contention of mine 
for a long time now.
I have several applications I need to use in my job that don't work at all 
because they don't work with a screenreader.
While Mssql 8 doesn't work perfectly it at least works well enough so I can use 
it. There are other such as Livemeeting however which don't work at all.

I guess I'm glad my career is nearing its end rather than just beginning!
On Mar 25, 2012, at 11:57 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:


See?  This is what I hate about screen reader use on all levels.  The fact that 
we are stuck at lower versions of software for full support.  Or that's what it 
feels like anyway.  I would be unable to install the 2005 version because last 
I tried it, it gave me an error message, and besides, I'm not sure that version 
works with .net 4.0, does it?  Don't even ask me what the error was now because 
I don't remember.  I mean, Access 2010 is the same thing.  WE works great with 
part of it, but then with other parts, it's not good at all.  I mean, how is 
this going to work in an employment scenario where being one version behind's 
not an option?

From: David McLean 
[mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:46 PM
To: Katherine Moss
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: SQL Server database creation: WE only reads part of the dialog

Haven't tried it with Windoweyes but with Jaws I experience something similar 
with this version.  I have found that Sql Server 2005 works quite a bit better 
from an accessibility standpoint and you can work with 2008 databases as well.

I think you're going to have to make quite a bit of use of you mouse pointer 
and also maximize the window.
Having access to a Braille display also helps a lot if you're aBraille user and 
can get access to one.
On Mar 25, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:



Hi,
For those of you using SQL Server 2008 R2, does anybody know how to get the 
entire newe database dialog to read?  I can't'seem to, for I like to set all of 
the options with file groups an such, but I can't seem to figure out where I am 
considering only part of it will read, and the rest is just silence.  Has 
anyone else experienced this?  Thanks.

Katherine Moss,
Administrator of the AccessCop Network, previously 
Raeder24.org<http://Raeder24.org>.  Visit us on the web at 
http://raeder24.org<http://raeder24.org/>




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