I am not really sure, if I grasp the argument about creating excessive
amounts of trafic, if changing the reply-behavior. Quite a few times, we do
see things make it to the list, that "strictly spoken" could be said to
carry a priveate style. Users still press the Reply-To-All, if they want
things to be heard. So, why make all the hazzle of messing up new users,
when it does not necessarily reduce the trafic anyway. Besides, if that
argument was to hold water, then why a different reply-policy on the other
GW lists? What makes it so much more trafic-jamming on one list, but not on
the others? Why not simply be consequent? If you want to be different than
the rest of the world, then go ahead. But then stick to that practice.
And, it is a bit strange, that GW lets their screen reader out the door,
holding a hotkey that so clearly messes up their own mailing list behavior.
Ctrl-Shift-R, is the Reply to all hotkey, in all the mail clients I know of.
And, GW capture that key for internal usage - then tell their users to use
that hotkey for a participation on their own mailing list. To me, that has
always stood out as quite inconsistent. And my guess is, that it stands out
the same way to most users.
Many users of the computer now aday, are not really techie persons. To them,
having a hotkey that does not perform what it is supposed to, is little
help. Many users might even have been using a computer, prior to turning
blind. And, all the sudden, they have to learn, that the reply-to-all hotkey
is no longer working right out of the box.
As I have said before, I do see arguments on both sides, when comes to
list-replying. I have my clear personal opinion about which side would be
the better, but so do the others. My whole point is, why does GW decide for
a solution, that they do not even stick with all through. Now, if they so
dearly want the list to behave the way it does today, then make all their
lists behave that way, and ship their screen reader with a set of hotkeys,
that does allow immediate access for such a behavior. OK, No GW cannot be
responsible for the hotkeys any software might happen to ship with as its
standard. But honestly, the Ctrl-Shift-R is that much of a standard hotkey
in that many mailing clients (and at least in all the ones GW themselve
suggest their users), that it should have been kept outside the screen
reader set of hotkeys. That would be no surprising hotkey, not even on the
staff. Smile.
Yes, any user can go to the WE Control Panel, and make their changes for the
hotkey. But how many are aware of that? And how many are confident enough to
do so? Even, how many would ever think of that solution, except from someone
telling them? It would have been so much easier, had the screen reader
installed itself, without this kind of well-known hotkey conflict. Start out
there, and then let's get back to the discussion on what kind of behavior
the community wants for the list. Smile.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katherine Moss" <[email protected]>
To: "Chip Orange" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: Control Shift R
I mean, for those who have used an email client for years like me and who
are more technically advanced and used to hitting reply all, it doesn't
bother me that this list is different, but from a configuration point of
view it bothers me. I don't mind having to use bypass, but still it would
be nice not to have to remember to hit reply all; the reason for reply all
is for specific groups to ensure that all parties get the message, not as a
topic cop. And besides, what's wrong with a few tangents every now and
then? I'm on like eight lists all together, and more than 90 percent of
the topics on those lists start on topic and then go way off, and the
moderators never mind it at all. Albeit those lists being more technical
in terms of their topics.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Control Shift R
I agree with Vic; since this list is of the most use to those new to WE,
why not make things as easy for them as possible?
If we aren't going to do that by running a list the way the rest of the
world does it, then how about at least allowing them to use the "reply to
all" key as Vic outlines, so they don't have to try to redefine a hotkey
themselves, or work with bypass, or any of the other solutions?
Chip
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Control Shift R
Competitors and proponents of their products always find something to
latch on to in order to put down the competition. In GW Micro's case one
criticism that keeps coming up from non WE users in some of my circles is
the control shift R as the read-to-end hot key. Minor yes, however you
know how it is, anything to grab on to is OK when slamming the other guy.
Now GW Micro has made changes from time to time that affected the keyboard
layout. yes we can re-define the hotkeys ourselves, but it is easier if we
don't have to go there. Control Shift R is the reply to all keyboard
shortcut for many email applications. For those of us who don't use the
insert key layout app or who prefer not to re-define the hotkeys, changing
control shift R to control shift spacebar might be something for GW Micro
to consider. I like the idea of the spacebar over the enter key, because
control enter is also the send keyboard shortcut for many email clients.
It might be too easy to make a mistake when trying to press control shift
enter.
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