Well, thank you Marc, that confirmed a lot of the issues I was having
with google interaction. One other suggestion, if i may, is to turn off
the browse mode features in the autoload verbosity dialog. This is
tedious when you forget that the browse mode doesn't load automatically
when you switch elements, but it does allow you to manually turn it off
and on at your own choosing without it turning on and off unnecessarily
before you've read the content that might have refreshed.
hope that helps, or kind of makes sense,
Dave
On 10/28/2013 12:11 PM, Marc Solomon wrote:
Hi Shannon,
Thank you for your suggestion. I will put your request for a training
on using Window-Eyes to interact with ARIA elements on our list of
future webinar topics. This training would be most beneficial if it
was conducted after GW Micro adds full ARIA support to Window-Eyes.
This development project is currently underway and we appreciate your
patience waiting for these improvements to be implemented in
Window-Eyes. In the meantime, the best way to interact with ARIA
elements with Window-Eyes is by using the mouse pointer or by turning
off Browse Mode. As another GW-Info list member pointed out, you will
also need to use a modern web browser that supports ARIA. This means
you will want to use the latest versions of Internet Explorer and/or
Firefox when working with ARIA. Here are some information and
suggestions on how you can use Window-Eyes to access the content on
the Google support page you referenced in your email:
Google has assigned an ARIA role of “tab” to each of the email clients
listed in the support article (i.e. iPhone, Thunderbird, Apple Mail,
Outlook, Outlook Express) and set each tabs aria-expanded attribute to
false. You can think of each of these email clients as tabbed folders
containing additional files or information. Until you open the tabbed
folder, you cannot see or access the contents. Visually on the
webpage, the 5 tabs looks like a list of 5 items stacked on top of
each other and each item has a plus symbol to the left of the item
that is used to expand it. If you click or activate the plus symbol,
the item expands and displays the contents or the tab item’s children.
The plus symbol turns into a minus symbol that when clicked or
activated with collapse the tab and hid its children.
So, the trick here is to expand the tab you wish to read more about
and then get Window-Eyes to read the new content. One way to expand
the tab is to find the tab element in Browse Mode, route the mouse to
the element (Insert-Numpad Plus) and issue a left click (Numpad
Slash). You can also turn browse mode off and use the Tab key or arrow
keys to focus the tab element in the browser and then use Spacebar or
Enter to expand the tab. The problem with the later technique is that
Window-Eyes will not announce the name of the tabs when you are out of
Browse Mode so you would need to know that Outlook is the fourth tab
item out of five. Once you have expanded the tab, you will want to
redraw the screen (Insert-Backslash) so Window-Eyes will see the newly
displayed information. You will probably be kicked back to the top of
the page, so do a quick Window-Eyes Find for Outlook to jump back down
to the appropriate section on the page and you will be able to read
the additional text that is now displayed on the page.
As you can tell, this process has a number of steps and requires going
in and out of browse mode or at least redrawing the screen. Once the
enhanced ARIA support for Window-Eyes is added this process will be
much simpler. You will be able to simply navigate to these tab
elements on the page, press Enter to expand them and then down arrow
to read the newly displayed text. No need to worry about the state of
Browse Mode or redrawing the screen, it will just work!
Just as a side note, there are many other ARIA roles besides tab that
you encounter on the web and will want to become familiar with. Here
is a more thorough list of ARIA widget roles that can be used by web
developers to create application like controls on their web pages:
alert
alertdialog
button
checkbox
dialog
gridcell
link
log
marquee
menuitem
menuitemcheckbox
menuitemradio
option
progressbar
radio
scrollbar
slider
spinbutton
status
tab
tabpanel
textbox
timer
tooltip
treeitem
You will be able to interact with these ARIA widgets from the keyboard
in similar ways as to do when you encounter these types of controls in
Windows and Windows based applications. I hope you find this
information helpful.
Best Regards,
Marc
Subject: RE: major google help needed
From: "Shannon" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 08:39:03 -0500
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Mark,
I for one would be very interested if GW would put on a training class on
the new ARIA web controls and how they work, what they mean and what to do
when we encounter them.
I think I am dealing with them and don't know what to do with them.
I am currently reading a Google article on outlook configuration and mail
folders. The text in this article says to click on the client you are
using below to learn more. Unfortunately the list below says odd things to
me and I don't know how to activate-interact with it/them. For example I
hear
Click on your client below to view our recommended configuration.
Page Tab, Iphone, Page tab, Thunderbird, list two with zero items and one
sub list,
End of list two, Page Tab, Apple Mail, Page tab, outlook, page tab,
outlook express
I can't seem to click on a single one. I have tried the space bar on the "
page tab" before each of the items I wish to look into and on the Names
directly, but that doesn't work I have tried to press enter on the same
elements and that still doesn't work. How do you interact with such items?
This is just a help article but it is not really helping since I can't get
to the specific clients I am using to learn more.
The link to this article is;
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78892
Can you tell me about this article?
How does one using We handle it? Could a class be done on ARIA and how it
is used.
My machine specs are Win seven 64, IE 8 and WE 8.3
Thank you
Shannon
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