Hi Steve, The following forward may be helpful.
hth, Rod -------- Original Message -------- From: - Mon Oct 28 14:15:49 2013 X-Account-Key: account11 X-UIDL: 70FEAAE7-3FFC-11E3-A2AC-001E0BC9BBD2 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Mozilla-Keys: x-store-info: J++/JTCzmObr++wNraA4Pa4f5Xd6uensKMvPmf3feneb33zaqU1GFlbSUv5f6EHQPCJHpqV/8uQq/c+UQ/SpxPwZ49IuxFjhZodrDklLcUGm3LNfmLSzLQYKTS/0Oc7sc36MTeDlpp0= Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=none (sender IP is 184.18.147.3) [email protected]; dkim=pass header.d=gwmicro.com; x-hmca=pass [email protected] X-SID-PRA: [email protected] X-AUTH-Result: PASS X-SID-Result: PASS X-Message-Status: n:n X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTE7YT0wO0Q9MTtHRD0xO1NDTD0w X-Message-Info: V83GvOTZtkFWM46NR8FKiy4oGvqx+ndqZsc+GuyEy0+Gm6egqZ5Otpgj3eVOP1gn63BZ2iTKqtnsBUllM2vQxxJIqiQ8Bh7TFwtamxWcrPeA40iEf7kCENS/FsTg7xCjmBYySELJq59xKbBS1nyTHd0tqNw2eHsBXI8RJoFpjTlOyw7lnfs/T0z6tzaa/cJCJeSO7toljx9ttT9/TfOTBF+6fdatn1lQ+0Mmw1+3Qfs= Received: from toip32.srvr.bell.ca ([67.69.240.34]) by BAY0-PAMC2-F9.Bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4900); Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:12:08 -0700 Received: from toip19.srvr.bell.ca ([67.69.240.21]) by toip32.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2013 14:12:01 -0400 Received: from mail.gwmicro.com ([184.18.147.3]) by toip19.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2013 14:12:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; t=1382983917; x=1383592317; s=all; d=gwmicro.com; c=relaxed/relaxed; v=1; bh=NH27I8AQpiTmuG9Cv07Xj2YjjoY=; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sP50xEqEmXjJ+AzQJR0owH2hChKahJqir0u12bxH9nNl49EnNWTPHtfvWeagducpGvU7/4FFIBIolzhhb//K6DqOZrB1B6Og71GhtSk+ZaaqWpU3PIUOG5lIikVxD+3S Received: from ([10.0.0.209]) by mail.gwmicro.com (IceWarp 10.4.5) with ASMTP id 201310281411552839 for <[email protected]>; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:11:55 -0400 From: Marc Solomon <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: major google help needed Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CED3E7.A92D7DC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac7UCSgaVUJvXYjVRnqDE/krQWbhfA== Content-Language: en-us X-List-Name: gw-info Return-Path: [email protected] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2013 18:12:09.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[377483A0:01CED409] Hi Shannon, Thank you for your suggestion. I will put your request for a training on using Window-Eyes to interact with ARIA elements on our list of future webinar topics. This training would be most beneficial if it was conducted after GW Micro adds full ARIA support to Window-Eyes. This development project is currently underway and we appreciate your patience waiting for these improvements to be implemented in Window-Eyes. In the meantime, the best way to interact with ARIA elements with Window-Eyes is by using the mouse pointer or by turning off Browse Mode. As another GW-Info list member pointed out, you will also need to use a modern web browser that supports ARIA. This means you will want to use the latest versions of Internet Explorer and/or Firefox when working with ARIA. Here are some information and suggestions on how you can use Window-Eyes to access the content on the Google support page you referenced in your email: Google has assigned an ARIA role of “tab” to each of the email clients listed in the support article (i.e. iPhone, Thunderbird, Apple Mail, Outlook, Outlook Express) and set each tabs aria-expanded attribute to false. You can think of each of these email clients as tabbed folders containing additional files or information. Until you open the tabbed folder, you cannot see or access the contents. Visually on the webpage, the 5 tabs looks like a list of 5 items stacked on top of each other and each item has a plus symbol to the left of the item that is used to expand it. If you click or activate the plus symbol, the item expands and displays the contents or the tab item’s children. The plus symbol turns into a minus symbol that when clicked or activated with collapse the tab and hid its children. So, the trick here is to expand the tab you wish to read more about and then get Window-Eyes to read the new content. One way to expand the tab is to find the tab element in Browse Mode, route the mouse to the element (Insert-Numpad Plus) and issue a left click (Numpad Slash). You can also turn browse mode off and use the Tab key or arrow keys to focus the tab element in the browser and then use Spacebar or Enter to expand the tab. The problem with the later technique is that Window-Eyes will not announce the name of the tabs when you are out of Browse Mode so you would need to know that Outlook is the fourth tab item out of five. Once you have expanded the tab, you will want to redraw the screen (Insert-Backslash) so Window-Eyes will see the newly displayed information. You will probably be kicked back to the top of the page, so do a quick Window-Eyes Find for Outlook to jump back down to the appropriate section on the page and you will be able to read the additional text that is now displayed on the page. As you can tell, this process has a number of steps and requires going in and out of browse mode or at least redrawing the screen. Once the enhanced ARIA support for Window-Eyes is added this process will be much simpler. You will be able to simply navigate to these tab elements on the page, press Enter to expand them and then down arrow to read the newly displayed text. No need to worry about the state of Browse Mode or redrawing the screen, it will just work! Just as a side note, there are many other ARIA roles besides tab that you encounter on the web and will want to become familiar with. Here is a more thorough list of ARIA widget roles that can be used by web developers to create application like controls on their web pages: alert alertdialog button checkbox dialog gridcell link log marquee menuitem menuitemcheckbox menuitemradio option progressbar radio scrollbar slider spinbutton status tab tabpanel textbox timer tooltip treeitem You will be able to interact with these ARIA widgets from the keyboard in similar ways as to do when you encounter these types of controls in Windows and Windows based applications. I hope you find this information helpful. Best Regards, Marc Subject: RE: major google help needed From: "Shannon" <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 08:39:03 -0500 Reply-To: <[email protected]> Mark, I for one would be very interested if GW would put on a training class on the new ARIA web controls and how they work, what they mean and what to do when we encounter them. I think I am dealing with them and don't know what to do with them. I am currently reading a Google article on outlook configuration and mail folders. The text in this article says to click on the client you are using below to learn more. Unfortunately the list below says odd things to me and I don't know how to activate-interact with it/them. For example I hear Click on your client below to view our recommended configuration. Page Tab, Iphone, Page tab, Thunderbird, list two with zero items and one sub list, End of list two, Page Tab, Apple Mail, Page tab, outlook, page tab, outlook express I can't seem to click on a single one. I have tried the space bar on the " page tab" before each of the items I wish to look into and on the Names directly, but that doesn't work I have tried to press enter on the same elements and that still doesn't work. How do you interact with such items? This is just a help article but it is not really helping since I can't get to the specific clients I am using to learn more. The link to this article is; https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78892 Can you tell me about this article? How does one using We handle it? Could a class be done on ARIA and how it is used. My machine specs are Win seven 64, IE 8 and WE 8.3 Thank you Shannon If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
