Hi bruce, Steve did record a teamtalk session I gave on something else, so it is possible, but I doubt transcribing them into text is going to happen; we'll see if we get any volunteers for that! I did buy a recording package for the pc, and so maybe I'll be able to do the recording now and post them all. as for "connecting the dots", yes, you're quite right. one good thing about teaching this way, is that I can ask at the beginning of each session what people do and don't know; that way, if covering some basic programming in VBScript is desired before we move on to window-eyes scripting, then we can do that. some people who already know how to do that will need some patience, or can come back next week, but this way we'll guarantee not to leave anyone behind. and I can talk more than I can type! that is one of the problems with the tutorials I tried (am still trying) to write; I have some health difficulties which make typing painful, so I don't go into all the detail I really need to. the teamtalk sessions will be an experiment, we'll see how they go. Chip
_____ From: bT [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM To: [email protected] Cc: GW Info List Subject: Re: Beginner/Intermediate Window-Eyes Script Writing Class in Denver, CO Hi Chip and Everyone, I mentioned my 2 cents before only because when your yearly income is usually equivalent of 12 time s this cost, can it even be economical for them? Also, when coming from the open source community like Python, where everyone contributes for the common good, There providing and everyone benefits, just like those, like Chip, write scripts for everyone. Now, having said that, remember Chip I said I would actually do what you asked last fall before I started attending college. So I got busy and did not spend much time on it. What is being asked of this entire question is one thing, which is eluded to here is, in the open source there are links, or .chm, and things like that which do attempt to connect the dots and give explanations for functions, classes and properties/methods. There is already .VBS free tutorials and such, but as I stated before, when doing the scripting here the sequence of what is required for each code fragment is lacking or missing, or structured for only engineers to decipher. Granted a 3 day course would attempt to do that because it would have to, so the person learning understands why the programmer wrote what they wrote. So, the lecture person could do the same thing they did on video's converted to text, listed on the Windoweyes knowledge base site. I am referring to things like Word tutorial and such, where the actual video step is also written out in text. Now since there many of those courses taught all over the country, would it not be possible to in fact record the instructors voice for those 3 days? Convert it into the same format as the Word and others that exist on the knowledge base site? Do such things as edit out questions students ask but concise the answers to point to the knowledge of and fix or approach of the question asked. Since this is going on all the time each time you teach such a course, it would seem just as easy as the posted videos you have already done. Correct? I do seem to remember someone saying that a video was available of one of the lectures and to much computer background voices and such was interfering with the ability to hear what is being said by the instructor. The reason why I suggested having a mike on only the person giving the lecture, so no external noise gets in the mike. Now having said that, once I start doing this I will in fact do what you have attempted to do, but there seems to be a need to connect the dots with windows win32 class, methods, and properties and the specific command that VBS and WE Script uses to connect to it... essentially connecting the dots that binds it all together. I did notice that Aaron Smith does place comments in his scripts and I am sure others do also, maybe those writers could actually place more notes in their scripts, as a simple tutorial as they go? So, I will shut up for now and keep on learning myself. Sincerely Bruce Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 12:36 PM Subject: RE: Beginner/Intermediate Window-Eyes Script Writing Class in Denver, CO Fins up! I mean hands up! Not only am I interested in learning, after you certify me as a capable amateur, I will volunteer time to pass along that knowledge. I certainly don't have any moral objection to GW looking to increase revenue, but where is the justification for someone like me to shell out the cost of tuition, travel, lodging and meals for something that as far as I can tell there is simply no commercial demand for. Anyway, my hand is up Chip and I promise not to wear my grass skirt and coconut bra while learning! Grin. Donald A dyed in the wool ParrotHead.. .db _____ From: Gary Metzler [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Beginner/Intermediate Window-Eyes Script Writing Class in Denver, CO Hi Chip, I'm willing to learn. Keep us posted. From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Beginner/Intermediate Window-Eyes Script Writing Class in Denver, CO so, why don't we look at doing these ourselves, as a series of TeamTalk sessions? who is interested in helping to teach? who is interested in taking a scripting class using TeamTalk and taught by volunteer amateurs? let's see a show of hands? Chip _____ From: bT [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Beginner/Intermediate Window-Eyes Script Writing Class in Denver, CO Hi! Yes, but they want the money, for ths should be very easy to do instead of going around the country. but, look at the cost for the 3 days, over $800 and the rest explains itself. Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Beginner/Intermediate Window-Eyes Script Writing Class in Denver, CO Why not just offer these online? .db _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Beginner/Intermediate Window-Eyes Script Writing Class in Denver, CO Greetings, The following event has been posted to the GW Micro Upcoming <http://www.gwmicro.com/events> Events page: Name: Beginner/Intermediate Window-Eyes Script Writing Class in Denver, CO When: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 to Friday, June 24, 2011 Where: Denver, CO What: Window-Eyes Beginner Script Writing Class Who: Marc Solomon Comments: Click <https://www.gwmicro.com/Training/Script_Training/Registration/?cid=CO-BEGIN NER-SCRIPTING0611> here to register for the Window-Eyes Beginner/Intermediate Script Writing class in Denver, Colorado! 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