Hi Guys: David, that is what I was getting at. Since hot keys are registered
with WE I would guess it could manage and list them and their apps, perhaps
their function as well.
As for ctrl-shift-c it is in the "Team Talk" app.
I would imagine that that should only be active when Team Talk is running and
not at other times.
This is a design bug of the Team Talk script and of WindowEyes for having no
oversight of Global Scripts run under their control.
Problems of this nature make, can make, WE unstable and unpredictable at
times.
Anyway, I found the problematic app and knowing is half the problem.
There should be some control over what Global Apps are allowed to run, Key
Conflict Notification and Reporting for all running apps both Globally and when
a Program is active in a users environment.
Otherwise there is really no way of a non-scriptor user, about 95 percent of
WE users, to know what might be going wrong when WE crashes, a Hot Key does not
work as described in a program's documentation or when other performance issues
clouded by apps occur.
Ruick USA
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: Finding Hot Key App
Still, if I get Rick correctly, he does have a point here. Would have been
great, if there was a way, to list all currently defined hotkeys. Guess, since
more or less all hotkey depending apps would rely on coding in the GWToolkit,
that this would be the place for such a feature to be found. Maybe something
for the GW staff to keep in mind, for a later update. Or, could there be an app
made up, that would scroll through all registered hotkeys, and put them on a
list that the user could bring up on his screen. Not sure here, but since we
are using the RegisterHotkey method of the GWToolkit when making a new hotkey,
doesn't that mean, that there is an array or the like, holding all hotkeys? If
so, would it be possible for an app, to scroll that array? And, does that array
- if it exists - hold any info as to whih app holds the given hotkey.
Well, let me give one example when this could be useful, and which might not
just relate strictly to app development and WE itself. Sometimes, you install
other software on your computer. Software that has its hotkeys. For instance,
the mediaplayer I am using, has a number of global hotkeys. OK, WE won't
recognize those hotkeys - I am fully aware - since they are not related to WE.
Still, sometimes those hotkeys might not work. Why, because one of the apps I
am running under WE, will have a definition for that very hotkey. Only, I am
running twenty or more different apps, under WE. So which one is the
complicated one? If now there was a way for me to quickly bring up a list of
all the hotkeys WE apps has on hold currently, and which app relate to the
individual hotkeys, I could quickly have discerned which app to modify or
disable; hence get my mediaplayer working flawlessly. Hope this example makes a
bit of sense.
Another time, when such a list could be helpful, is when you don't remember
the exact hotkey. Maybe because it is one of those you don't use all that
often. And, yes, you could open your app manager, and start to scroll all the
apps you have installed. But then, you don't exactly remember which of the apps
actually does the job you want. Or, maybe you simply aint all that good at all
this app stuff. Many a user, will simply just know they can perform this and
that operation, by hitting the hotkey they happend to forget, not even knowing
which app does the trick. If now, you had a way to bring up a list of all
currently active hotkeys, and their short description, you could have scrolled
that list, and at least somehow quickly found the key combination you were
looking for.
Maybe such features already exists, just I aint aware of them. Or, is this a
possible app development idea for some smart guy out there?
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Beckley
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Finding Hot Key App
Rick,
You can go into the keyboard manager for each suspected app to see exactly
what hot keys the app is using. It would still be time consuming but much more
efficient than going into the source code and looking for the hot key
assignments. I don't hear that on my setup so it is probably not a default app.
Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
Vic
E-mail: [email protected]
From: RicksPlace [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Finding Hot Key App
Hi: I may have missed it but how do you find what app a particular hot key
combination is in?
For example, when I hit ctrl-shift-c I hear "The Chat Window Is Empty" no
matter what program I am in ie8 or the desktop or notepad etc...
That tells me it is likely a WE Global App key combination but which app?
I don't like having some chat functionallity running while I am in other,
non chat, applications.
In fact while typing this I hear the chat window is empty message when I
hit control-shift-c which I should not hear since there, to my knowledge, no
chat window active anyplace in Outlook Express while I type this.
So, other than going into every app's source code if available and then
reading line by line and searching around how do I find this problematic key
combination and how do I handle this situation going forward for all those key
combinations that are what should be considered app buggs rather than
applicable to user activities.
Hot keys should only be active when the requsit program or form or page is
running.
Is there a way of identifying all WE active hot keys defined in all those
WE and Third Party Apps WE is becomming so dependent on?
What about 99 percent of WE users who are not scriptors,? How do they
handle this problem?
What, if anything, has been put in place as a standard or did I just miss
it?
Is there some WE hot key that will read or print out all the other hot keys
defined in all WE and Third Party Apps loaded and running?
My fear has always been that too many hot keys and messages are floating
around behind the scenes due to the use of Apps the way they are implemented
and can cause problems for WE users since, as far as I know, they are not
managed by the WE Engine.
I was confused when I hit ctrl-shift-c and heard there was nothing in the
chat window. I thought that I was missing something in ie8, some type of chat
might be open or some other problem. Fortunately I know a little about
scripting and am guessing this is a bug in either a WE App or some Third Party
App running gloabbly and not assigned to a proper program.
If you recognize this key combo which app is it in and is there some way
that WE manages and documents hot key assignments running at any given time?
I think I remember something on this from some posts a long time ago but
not what it was about and not what the final resolution was.
Rick USA
