Hi Again Vic: Well in my App Manager TeamTalk1.11 is running and listed while
the Global CheckBox is checked along with all the other Global Apps.
Is this an older version of the App?
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: RicksPlace
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Finding Hot Key App
Hi Vic: That is interesting indeed.
I'll do a little checking to see what is going on. Perhaps Team Talk is left
running somehow.
I'll check it out if I can and get back to you.
Later:
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Beckley
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: Finding Hot Key App
Rick,
I don't know what is going on with your setup, but the Team Talk app is
not a global app. It only runs when Team Talk is running; hence, the
control-Shift-C hot key would not work unless Team Talk was running. I have it
installed with no hot key problems. It is not a bug in the app. Maybe it got
associated globally somehow on your system.
Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
Vic
E-mail: [email protected]
From: RicksPlace [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Finding Hot Key App
Hi Guys: David, that is what I was getting at. Since hot keys are
registered with WE I would guess it could manage and list them and their apps,
perhaps their function as well.
As for ctrl-shift-c it is in the "Team Talk" app.
I would imagine that that should only be active when Team Talk is running
and not at other times.
This is a design bug of the Team Talk script and of WindowEyes for having
no oversight of Global Scripts run under their control.
Problems of this nature make, can make, WE unstable and unpredictable at
times.
Anyway, I found the problematic app and knowing is half the problem.
There should be some control over what Global Apps are allowed to run,
Key Conflict Notification and Reporting for all running apps both Globally and
when a Program is active in a users environment.
Otherwise there is really no way of a non-scriptor user, about 95 percent
of WE users, to know what might be going wrong when WE crashes, a Hot Key does
not work as described in a program's documentation or when other performance
issues clouded by apps occur.
Ruick USA
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: Finding Hot Key App
Still, if I get Rick correctly, he does have a point here. Would have
been great, if there was a way, to list all currently defined hotkeys. Guess,
since more or less all hotkey depending apps would rely on coding in the
GWToolkit, that this would be the place for such a feature to be found. Maybe
something for the GW staff to keep in mind, for a later update. Or, could there
be an app made up, that would scroll through all registered hotkeys, and put
them on a list that the user could bring up on his screen. Not sure here, but
since we are using the RegisterHotkey method of the GWToolkit when making a new
hotkey, doesn't that mean, that there is an array or the like, holding all
hotkeys? If so, would it be possible for an app, to scroll that array? And,
does that array - if it exists - hold any info as to whih app holds the given
hotkey.
Well, let me give one example when this could be useful, and which might
not just relate strictly to app development and WE itself. Sometimes, you
install other software on your computer. Software that has its hotkeys. For
instance, the mediaplayer I am using, has a number of global hotkeys. OK, WE
won't recognize those hotkeys - I am fully aware - since they are not related
to WE. Still, sometimes those hotkeys might not work. Why, because one of the
apps I am running under WE, will have a definition for that very hotkey. Only,
I am running twenty or more different apps, under WE. So which one is the
complicated one? If now there was a way for me to quickly bring up a list of
all the hotkeys WE apps has on hold currently, and which app relate to the
individual hotkeys, I could quickly have discerned which app to modify or
disable; hence get my mediaplayer working flawlessly. Hope this example makes a
bit of sense.
Another time, when such a list could be helpful, is when you don't
remember the exact hotkey. Maybe because it is one of those you don't use all
that often. And, yes, you could open your app manager, and start to scroll all
the apps you have installed. But then, you don't exactly remember which of the
apps actually does the job you want. Or, maybe you simply aint all that good at
all this app stuff. Many a user, will simply just know they can perform this
and that operation, by hitting the hotkey they happend to forget, not even
knowing which app does the trick. If now, you had a way to bring up a list of
all currently active hotkeys, and their short description, you could have
scrolled that list, and at least somehow quickly found the key combination you
were looking for.
Maybe such features already exists, just I aint aware of them. Or, is
this a possible app development idea for some smart guy out there?
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Beckley
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Finding Hot Key App
Rick,
You can go into the keyboard manager for each suspected app to see
exactly what hot keys the app is using. It would still be time consuming but
much more efficient than going into the source code and looking for the hot key
assignments. I don't hear that on my setup so it is probably not a default app.
Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
Vic
E-mail: [email protected]
From: RicksPlace [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Finding Hot Key App
Hi: I may have missed it but how do you find what app a particular hot
key combination is in?
For example, when I hit ctrl-shift-c I hear "The Chat Window Is Empty"
no matter what program I am in ie8 or the desktop or notepad etc...
That tells me it is likely a WE Global App key combination but which
app?
I don't like having some chat functionallity running while I am in
other, non chat, applications.
In fact while typing this I hear the chat window is empty message when
I hit control-shift-c which I should not hear since there, to my knowledge, no
chat window active anyplace in Outlook Express while I type this.
So, other than going into every app's source code if available and then
reading line by line and searching around how do I find this problematic key
combination and how do I handle this situation going forward for all those key
combinations that are what should be considered app buggs rather than
applicable to user activities.
Hot keys should only be active when the requsit program or form or page
is running.
Is there a way of identifying all WE active hot keys defined in all
those WE and Third Party Apps WE is becomming so dependent on?
What about 99 percent of WE users who are not scriptors,? How do they
handle this problem?
What, if anything, has been put in place as a standard or did I just
miss it?
Is there some WE hot key that will read or print out all the other hot
keys defined in all WE and Third Party Apps loaded and running?
My fear has always been that too many hot keys and messages are
floating around behind the scenes due to the use of Apps the way they are
implemented and can cause problems for WE users since, as far as I know, they
are not managed by the WE Engine.
I was confused when I hit ctrl-shift-c and heard there was nothing in
the chat window. I thought that I was missing something in ie8, some type of
chat might be open or some other problem. Fortunately I know a little about
scripting and am guessing this is a bug in either a WE App or some Third Party
App running gloabbly and not assigned to a proper program.
If you recognize this key combo which app is it in and is there some
way that WE manages and documents hot key assignments running at any given time?
I think I remember something on this from some posts a long time ago
but not what it was about and not what the final resolution was.
Rick USA
