Rick, and the rest.
I find this discussion interesting, since I myself often have tried to find a 
mathematical formula for some kind of operation. Searching the net, you run 
across a ton of cases like you Rick initially described. Either non-spoken 
characters, or more often, a graphical image, which is supposedly giving some 
interesting information to the sighted user.

Well, I don't have any really good solution. Yet, long as things are written 
with actual characters, you could try the Extended Dictionary app. It already 
holds a few symbols, like the Unicode symbols for 1/2, 1/4 and so forth, and 
also will by standard read things like Double-plus, and the plus-minus.

Since the Extended Dictionary gives you the chance of defining a separate 
dictionary, linked to your browser, you could have tried defining the more 
commonly used characters, and saved them in your software-specific dictionary 
for your browser, or even for your text editor. Again, should you find this 
works for you, and you get some interesting entries worked out, you could 
always have sent me the list, and I could include it by default in the package.

No, the app does not work multi-lined, so in cases where the equations run over 
multiple lines, you won't be helped. Yet, thought to remind you all of the 
capabilities of the app, in case that at least would help you out on some 
websites.

Regards,

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: RicksPlace 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 4:54 PM
  Subject: Re: WE and Advanced Math and Science Symbols


  Hi Again:
  Googling I found these tags are related to font definitions.
  Several versions are mentioned in a couple of articles so far:
  Mathematical Notation: LaTeX, Mathematica, HTML Entities, Unicode
    Do you know if these are a standard font thingy and should either my 
browser or WindowEyes be automatically picking them up and speaking them in the 
correct manner?
    Perhaps my browser is too old, not sure.
    Rick USA
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: RicksPlace 
    To: [email protected] 
    Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 10:15 AM
    Subject: Re: WE and Advanced Math and Science Symbols


    Hi Guys:
    Thought Id start with Wikipedia since it covers allot of general 
descriptions - not a teaching tool but an explanitory tool.
    Now, symbols seem to be represented by some kind of standardized use of 
tags.
    Do you recognize the use of the tags below as a standardized methodology of 
some sort and, if so, what is it called?
    I put in a few examples so someone might recognize something.
    <BeginSamples>
    Vector notation
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     the common
    typographic convention
     is upright boldface type, as in
    \mathbf{v}
    OK guys here they are just displaying {V} but use a prefix tag:
    \mathbf
    ...
    Another example:
    or unwieldy, vectors are often represented with
    right-pointing arrow notation or harpoons
     above their names, as in
    \vec{v}
    Here they use a tag:
    \vec
    before the actual math of {v}
    ...
    Another example:
    A rectangular vector in
    \mathbb{R}^n
     can be specified using an ordered
    set
     of components, enclosed in either parentheses or angle brackets.
    In a general sense, an n-dimensional vector v
     can be specified in either of the following forms:
    \mathbf{v} = (v_1, v_2, \dots, v_{n - 1}, v_n)
    \mathbf{v} = \langle v_1, v_2, \dots, v_{n - 1}, v_n \rangle
    Where v1, v2, …, vn − 1, vn are the components of v.
    Matrix notation
    [
    edit
    ]
    A rectangular vector in
    \mathbb{R}^n
     can also be specified as a row or column
    matrix
     containing the ordered set of components. A vector specified as a row 
matrix is
    known as a
    row vector
    ; one specified as a column matrix is known as a
    column vector
    .
    Again, an n-dimensional vector
    \mathbf{v}
     can be specified in either of the following forms using matrices:
    \mathbf{v} = \left[ \begin{matrix} v_1 & v_2 & \cdots & v_{n - 1} & v_n 
\end{matrix}
    \right] = \left( \begin{matrix} v_1 & v_2 & \cdots & v_{n - 1} & v_n 
\end{matrix}
    \right)
    \mathbf{v} = \left[ \begin{matrix} v_1 \\ v_2 \\ \vdots \\ v_{n - 1} \\ v_n 
\end{matrix}
    \right]= \left( \begin{matrix} v_1 \\ v_2 \\ \vdots \\ v_{n - 1} \\ v_n 
\end{matrix}
    \right)
    Where v1, v2, …, vn − 1, vn are the components of v
    . In some advanced contexts, a row and a column vector have different 
meaning; see
    covariance and contravariance of vectors
    .
    Unit vector notation
    [
    edit
    ]
    A rectangular vector in
    \mathbb{R}^3
     (or fewer dimensions, such as
    \mathbb{R}^2
     where vz
     below is zero) can be specified as the sum of the scalar multiples of the 
components
    of the vector with the members of the standard
    basis
     in
    \mathbb{R}^3
    . The basis is represented with the
    unit vectors
    \boldsymbol{\hat{\imath}} = (1, 0, 0)
    ,
    \boldsymbol{\hat{\jmath}} = (0, 1, 0)
    , and
    \boldsymbol{\hat{k}} = (0, 0, 1)
    .
    A three-dimensional vector v can be specified in the following form, using 
unit vector
    notation:
    \mathbf{v} = v_x \boldsymbol{\hat{\imath}} + v_y \boldsymbol{\hat{\jmath}} 
+ v_z
    \boldsymbol{\hat{k}}
    Where vx, vy, and vz are the magnitudes of the components of v.
    Polar vectors
    [
    edit
    ]
    wiki/File:CircularCoordinates.svg
    It goes on to other vectors for circles etc...
    <EndOfSamples>
    Rick USA

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: LB 
      To: [email protected] 
      Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:18 AM
      Subject: Re: WE and Advanced Math and Science Symbols


      Hi Rick,

          I guess having standard symbols for the math, then splitting each up, 
isolating them, then using a graphics label for each, store them in your set 
file and such, then go from there. Just a thought, but seems like a simple way 
to do it.

          Most equations use the sup script and such for integrals and can be 
messy at times but not impossible. But think standard symbols may be a problem 
at the publishers end. But in a set file you can sort them out based on the 
publishers usage.

          Most equations use hyperbolic math for nothing goes in a straight 
line in physics. That can result in lots of funny math. But keep in mind that 
all particles are waves and you can always wave back...:)

          The reality of our universe is all stuff is on a plain and that plain 
is infinite in nature, in other words take a book and stack it's pages on into 
infinity and each page is a plain, but so small you could never find it, but 
when trying to get them apart you kind of get a nuclear bomb, for they do not 
want to be bothered and have the strength to prove it.

          touch one part of that thin sheet and it responds back some where, 
the spooky thing Einstein's discovered in relativity. It is like watching a 
insect on the surface of a lake or body of water and watch it vibrate...surface 
tension.

          Enough about god and where he is, he is just every where. A part of 
each sheet stacked forever.

              Bruce



        Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 6:46 AM
        Subject: WE and Advanced Math and Science Symbols


        Hi:
        What is it about screen readers where they have so much trouble reading 
advanced math and, or, science characters?
        For example, what about the Calcus symbols or the standard ones often 
used in describing the EM Field variables?
        Has anyone ever done anything trying to write a script for say either a 
book reader or even internet pages to make the equations read well?
        I have been looking at many sites lately related to quantum mechanics 
and light and found many, all?, sites using equations where either I get a line 
of characters that dont make sense to me or a blank space where a given symbol, 
image?, is located within the equations.
        I know there are third party packages that might, repeat might, work 
perhaps with braille but why cant a screen reader like WindowEyes with it's 
attendant dictionaries be used to read these pages or books?
        I am wondering if the pages or software could be scripted in some way 
to make advanced math and science equations readable with WindowEyes.
        Just a consideration at this point and not even a thought of being a 
scripting project but just the question of why it hasent been done by the 
screen reader companies and if anyone has ever tried to script something to 
enable it for WindowEyes in the past.
        Rick USA



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