Hi Thomas, > It sounds like you want something like the TransactionStore utility (org.h2.mvstore.db.TransactionStore), but for serializable transactions: http://> h2database.com/html/mvstore.html#transactions<http://h2database.com/html/mvstore.html#transactions>
Yes, exactly. TransactionStore is what I have been playing around with and written my tests against. I've read that page a couple of times, very interesting stuff. >Yes, that's what it's doing. But not there are some differences between "serializable" (what you want) and "read committed" (what the >TransactionStore supports right now) - for details, see http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/transaction-iso.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_(database_systems) Thanks for the links. I have read those pages too, plus loads of other trying to gain enough knowledge to write my own, though it's still all a bit new to me, so I'm pretty sure it's not all gone in yet. :) I definitely need to read the Postgres one again. My unit tests against MVStore do indeed indicate the read-committed functionality works as I understood it. One transaction can "see" other writes as soon as their transactions are committed. And indeed, if that happens, I want to be able to block or force a rollback rather than seeing the old value (which is useful for some other stuff I want to do, but not this particular use case). > Please have a look at the docs, and then let's discuss whether you want to extend the current mechanism or write your own. I'm also interested > in having serializable transaction isolation for H2 as an option, but would like to keep the current mechanism as the default. Yes, that makes sense. I was hoping I could build on top of what is there, but I wasn't sure how configurable it was. I also gather that a serializable-style of isolation requires a lock per entry, which I guess would add quite a bit of overhead, and we would need to be careful about deadlock, as they would be taken, I suppose, in whatever the reads are happening. Do you think I can build on top, or you do you think this sort of change is quite fundermental to how the current TransactionStore works? Thanks, Kieron On Friday, 18 April 2014 09:43:14 UTC, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > Hi, > > It sounds like you want something like the TransactionStore utility > (org.h2.mvstore.db.TransactionStore), but for serializable transactions: > http://h2database.com/html/mvstore.html#transactions > > > I would like to get reads of values to either block until the other > writing-transactions finish, or fail so I can re-execute at a later time. > > Yes, that's what it's doing. But not there are some differences between > "serializable" (what you want) and "read committed" (what the > TransactionStore supports right now) - for details, see > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/transaction-iso.html and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_(database_systems) > > Please have a look at the docs, and then let's discuss whether you want to > extend the current mechanism or write your own. I'm also interested in > having serializable transaction isolation for H2 as an option, but would > like to keep the current mechanism as the default. > > Regards, > Thomas > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Kieron Wilkinson > <kieron.w...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've been looking for an in-memory key-value database. I couldn't find >> anything (that was missing deal breaker features), so I spent several days >> writing my own one, and then realised how hard it was ;). I did some more >> investigation and thankfully found MVStore. >> >> Anyway, I think it provides pretty much everything I need (which is >> fantastic!). One of the things it doesn't do is something similar to >> serializable transaction isolation. I would like to get reads of values to >> either block until the other writing-transactions finish, or fail so I can >> re-execute at a later time. >> >> So, I was wondering, if I wanted to plug this functionality in, whether >> you guys had any hints on the best way to go about that? I was assuming >> that since H2 itself supports serializable isolation, that this can be >> easily implemented on top? Maybe, if you think it's useful, I can even make >> my code generic enough that it is useful for others, as an optional >> component for MVStore. >> >> I also would like to customise the support for 2-phase commit. I would >> like to apply my application's optimistic locking checks in the prepare >> phase (which I can do externally), but after taking write locks in the >> prepare phase to enforce the contract of these checks on commit. Does that >> seem possible? >> >> Anyway, thanks very much for your work. >> >> Kieron Wilkinson >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "H2 Database" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to h2-database...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to h2-da...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/h2-database. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > On Friday, 18 April 2014 09:43:14 UTC, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > Hi, > > It sounds like you want something like the TransactionStore utility > (org.h2.mvstore.db.TransactionStore), but for serializable transactions: > http://h2database.com/html/mvstore.html#transactions > > > I would like to get reads of values to either block until the other > writing-transactions finish, or fail so I can re-execute at a later time. > > Yes, that's what it's doing. But not there are some differences between > "serializable" (what you want) and "read committed" (what the > TransactionStore supports right now) - for details, see > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/transaction-iso.html and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_(database_systems) > > Please have a look at the docs, and then let's discuss whether you want to > extend the current mechanism or write your own. I'm also interested in > having serializable transaction isolation for H2 as an option, but would > like to keep the current mechanism as the default. > > Regards, > Thomas > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Kieron Wilkinson > <kieron.w...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've been looking for an in-memory key-value database. I couldn't find >> anything (that was missing deal breaker features), so I spent several days >> writing my own one, and then realised how hard it was ;). I did some more >> investigation and thankfully found MVStore. >> >> Anyway, I think it provides pretty much everything I need (which is >> fantastic!). One of the things it doesn't do is something similar to >> serializable transaction isolation. I would like to get reads of values to >> either block until the other writing-transactions finish, or fail so I can >> re-execute at a later time. >> >> So, I was wondering, if I wanted to plug this functionality in, whether >> you guys had any hints on the best way to go about that? I was assuming >> that since H2 itself supports serializable isolation, that this can be >> easily implemented on top? Maybe, if you think it's useful, I can even make >> my code generic enough that it is useful for others, as an optional >> component for MVStore. >> >> I also would like to customise the support for 2-phase commit. I would >> like to apply my application's optimistic locking checks in the prepare >> phase (which I can do externally), but after taking write locks in the >> prepare phase to enforce the contract of these checks on commit. Does that >> seem possible? >> >> Anyway, thanks very much for your work. >> >> Kieron Wilkinson >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "H2 Database" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to h2-database...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to h2-da...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/h2-database. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "H2 Database" group. 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