On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Brendan Borlase wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Arthus Erea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> >> On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Brendan Borlase wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Arthus Erea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:47 AM, Brendan Borlase wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM, drzax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree that this is very unintuative and I was more than a >>>>>> little >>>>>> confused when I first saw this behaviour. I don't think it's >>>>>> enough >>>>>> to >>>>>> say to theme authors 'please style unpublished posts >>>>>> differently'. I >>>>>> strongly feel unpublished posts should not be displayed on the >>>>>> front >>>>>> end by default. Administrators should have an option to put the >>>>>> system >>>>>> into some kind of preview mode. A simple get parameter would >>>>>> probably >>>>>> sufice IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They certainly shouldn't (seconded!). The front end should only >>>>> ever >>>>> show >>>>> published posts - including when logged in - and really, in >>>>> future, >>>>> should >>>>> only show one's own posts (perhaps all published for a site >>>>> admin). >>>> >>>> I'm confused. Why on earth would it not show all published posts? >>>> >>>> That seems 1 billion times more confusing. IMHO, we should *never* >>>> hide published posts from users–whether in the frontend or backend. >>>> >>> >>> Sorry, I'll make it clearer. Anything published by the same logged >>> in >>> user should be visible. Key word is "published" here. >> >> Are you sure you mean published? >> >> I can in no way support hiding posts from logged in users which are >> visible from logged out visitors! >> > > What? Where did I say that? This has only ever been a discussion > about logged in users viewing draft via main page. I have said zero > about non-logged in users. Let me try (again) to make this clear. Right... but the assumption is that non-logged in users can only see published posts. > > > Logged in users should only see published posts on the main page. Agreed. > > > Logged in users should not see drafts on the main page. Agreed. > > > Not logged in users should only see published posts. Agreed. > > > Not logged in users should not see drafts (period). Agreed. > > > Really not sure how that is unclear? Sorry, but it seems I am being > miss-quoted and I don't really enjoy that too much. ;) I am not intentionally mis-quoting you. Rather, there appears to be some confusing (you were talking about published posts, when I thought this conversation was about draft posts). > > > I did suggest that ACLs could be used to control how much a > logged in user could see (again, in a multi-blog context) so perhaps > that lead to the confusion? > >>> >>> >>> Ideally (ACLs?) a site admin should be able to see all published >>> posts >>> and in a multi-site blog, so should any additional editors - >>> logged in >>> users perhaps might see only their own drafts? There is a lot of >>> scope >>> to build a good ACL model. >> >> Why would a user *not* be able to see published posts? It's >> published, >> for crying out loud. Why hide it? >> >> Frankly, I am dumbfounded that we would consider something so >> confusing as hiding published posts from _anyone_. >> > > Again, huh? I said "see own drafts" not "see own published posts". "The front end should only ever show published posts - including when logged in - and really, in future, should only show one's own posts (perhaps all published for a site admin)." That sounded like seeing only ones own published posts to me – as did your continual references to "published posts" when it now seems you mean draft posts. For example: "Ideally (ACLs?) a site admin should be able to see all published posts and in a multi-site blog, so should any additional editors - logged in users perhaps might see only their own drafts? There is a lot of scope to build a good ACL model. " Again, that sounded to me like you were suggesting that only site admins should be able to view everyone's published posts (which rather defeats the point of published posts, no?). > No offence Arthus, but your answers don't make much sense to me. None taken. I guess what you were saying just didn't make sense to me. > I have not once stated published posts should be hidden. Only drafts, > and only in context. Which is pretty much how most CMS platforms > tend to handle them - and that is typically based on a great deal of > user feedback. I agree – I guess I was confused by all your talk of published posts (which, frankly, I don't think have anything to do with the matter at hand). > I think a plugin that allows people to inject drafts into the > 'logged in' > user view of the front page is a great idea. Agreed. > But as a 'stock' default, it's going to be atypical against what most > people have experienced in the past. Agreed, though there is talk of having a "preview mode" built into core. Proposals for the preview mode include being able to click the site link in the top right to enter preview mode. > > > Obviously I need to work on my communication skills. :D As do I. :) I'm glad to see we actually agree and I was just confused by your phrasing. 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