Confused, and annoyed, it seems, says the purported troll.

I only suggested it could be altered in any way you like in order to be a 
new single Wiki page with links to it from the navigation bar. Help people 
find stuff without having to ask the location of a special all pages 
generator. I guess I am both blind and the other thing.

So, while I found both the user and dev groups both interesting and 
informative, and the IRC, until recently, an insightful and amusing look 
into your diligent and tireless efforts, I shall no longer be troubling 
either you or Owen with my presence at either. Break out the beer!

No matter. I at least got you talking about things that might improve 
Habari other than its code and still wish you nothing but success.


On Monday, January 28, 2013 5:03:11 PM UTC-5, Chris Meller wrote:
>
> I'm a bit confused... What exactly does this sitemap accomplish?
>
> Where would it live?
> How would it be updated?
> How would anyone know to find it?
> How is it substantially different from the one MediaWiki already 
> generates<http://wiki.habariproject.org/en/Special:AllPages>
> ?
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Les Henderson 
> <[email protected]<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> Okay, here's something that could be modified as desired and added as a 
>> page with links to it from all wiki pages.
>>
>> I imagine you don't want it all to be used as is, but I think it's a 
>> reasonable starting point. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:37:20 PM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not saying it's terrible, so much as noting a disconnect between it 
>>> and the more friendly blog portion. There are plenty of inline links on the 
>>> main wiki page to the relevant content I might want to read but most 
>>> people, at least me, rely on some form of navigation rather than trying to 
>>> guess what to search for.
>>>
>>> The main Wiki page has all the stuff there somewhere but once you leave 
>>> it, good luck. I'm finding great stuff, three weeks in, but only randomly 
>>> on a general Google search. I should be enticed into reading the entire 
>>> wiki without having to open a hundred tabs, is all.
>>>
>>> All I'm asking for is for someone to add another half dozen items to the 
>>> Navigation box. If I knew how, I would.
>>>
>>> I realize you rightfully don't want to take any steps backwards and 
>>> would rather have perfection than any quick fixes but isn't a temporary 
>>> bandage marginally better than an open wound that festers for years 
>>> unattended?
>>>
>>> If I'm willing and foolish enough to keep unintentionally annoying 
>>> anyone with such suggestions, this must be a real bothersome issue for me, 
>>> one that I noticed day one and which should be easily fixable.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:01:13 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh right, yeah wiki's suck in general, and ours is pretty terrible. We 
>>>> are wanting to replace the wiki with something better, we just haven't 
>>>> found what that better thing is yet.
>>>>
>>>> Suggests welcome!
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I see where I'm going wrong here. The main site blog has very 
>>>> fine navigation and access to the announcements, themes and plugins, 
>>>> though 
>>>> it would be nice to have the "Powered by Habari" at the bottom somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> It's when you get sidetracked on the Wiki that I find all those 
>>>> features missing. So again, Habari blog good, Wiki bad.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:27:58 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a search URL on the project site:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://habariproject.org/en/**search?criteria=release<https://habariproject.org/en/search?criteria=release>
>>>>>
>>>>> As you can see it technically works, there just isn't a text input for 
>>>>> it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I see the dilemma there. If you seriously don't want anyone to 
>>>>> find the plugins by mistake then perhaps a robots.txt Disallow would be 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> order then.
>>>>>
>>>>> My apparent inability to easily find anything on the hp.o site related 
>>>>> to announcements still stands, as regards navigation. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps someone else would be kind enough to experiment trying? Using 
>>>>> the Search function isn't allowed. I'd love to be proven wrong. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:18:17 PM UTC-5, Chris Meller wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's never been installed because it would only include the /en/ 
>>>>>> blog, which doesn't actually include much of anything useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sitemap that Les created includes all of /dist, which isn't 
>>>>>> really desirable - the plugins and themes listed are out of date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So basically there's no sitemap currently because there's no way to 
>>>>>> generate a comprehensive one that will stay up to date and actually be 
>>>>>> authoritative, like it's supposed to be. Everything is indexed properly 
>>>>>> by 
>>>>>> search engines anyway, so there's never been much need to put in the 
>>>>>> effort 
>>>>>> required to come up with something to "fix" that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, rick c <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 10:06:50 AM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've created a sitemap for hp.o that you might consider adding 
>>>>>>>> since it is usually standard practice. It needs to be renamed just 
>>>>>>>> sitemap.xml and uploaded to the root directory. Feel free to make your 
>>>>>>>> own 
>>>>>>>> if it's unsatisfactory.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd also really like to see some kind of navigation to make it 
>>>>>>>> easier for people to find their way around. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Les,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for this. There is actually a sitemaps plugin for Habari ( 
>>>>>>> https://github.com/habari-**extras/sitemaps<https://github.com/habari-extras/sitemaps>).
>>>>>>>  I'm not sure why it isn't installed on hp.o.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rick
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