I think doing whatever we can to help more people find out about Habari 
(whether new people searching for a blogging tool or existing users who need 
more information) is a great idea!

Your enthusiasm is heartening, Les.

~Randy

On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:31 PM, Michael C. Harris <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> I vouch for the fact that Meller can be abrasive, much as I love him :)
> 
> On Tuesday, January 29, 2013, Chris Meller wrote:
> I apologize if I offended you, Les. I'm known to come off a bit abrasive, but 
> I was actually asking legitimately, not to kill the idea. I didn't know how 
> you saw the system working to solve your problem, so I asked. 
> 
> As Chris said, we realize the wiki sucks, we just haven't been able to find 
> anything that sucks less than MediaWiki. If you've ever used a wiki that you 
> thought sucked less, please track it down so we can steal it... ;)
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Confused, and annoyed, it seems, says the purported troll.
> 
> I only suggested it could be altered in any way you like in order to be a new 
> single Wiki page with links to it from the navigation bar. Help people find 
> stuff without having to ask the location of a special all pages generator. I 
> guess I am both blind and the other thing.
> 
> So, while I found both the user and dev groups both interesting and 
> informative, and the IRC, until recently, an insightful and amusing look into 
> your diligent and tireless efforts, I shall no longer be troubling either you 
> or Owen with my presence at either. Break out the beer!
> 
> No matter. I at least got you talking about things that might improve Habari 
> other than its code and still wish you nothing but success.
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 5:03:11 PM UTC-5, Chris Meller wrote:
> I'm a bit confused... What exactly does this sitemap accomplish?
> 
> Where would it live?
> How would it be updated?
> How would anyone know to find it?
> How is it substantially different from the one MediaWiki already generates?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Okay, here's something that could be modified as desired and added as a page 
> with links to it from all wiki pages.
> 
> I imagine you don't want it all to be used as is, but I think it's a 
> reasonable starting point. 
> 
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:37:20 PM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote:
> I'm not saying it's terrible, so much as noting a disconnect between it and 
> the more friendly blog portion. There are plenty of inline links on the main 
> wiki page to the relevant content I might want to read but most people, at 
> least me, rely on some form of navigation rather than trying to guess what to 
> search for.
> 
> The main Wiki page has all the stuff there somewhere but once you leave it, 
> good luck. I'm finding great stuff, three weeks in, but only randomly on a 
> general Google search. I should be enticed into reading the entire wiki 
> without having to open a hundred tabs, is all.
> 
> All I'm asking for is for someone to add another half dozen items to the 
> Navigation box. If I knew how, I would.
> 
> I realize you rightfully don't want to take any steps backwards and would 
> rather have perfection than any quick fixes but isn't a temporary bandage 
> marginally better than an open wound that festers for years unattended?
> 
> If I'm willing and foolish enough to keep unintentionally annoying anyone 
> with such suggestions, this must be a real bothersome issue for me, one that 
> I noticed day one and which should be easily fixable.
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:01:13 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote:
> Oh right, yeah wiki's suck in general, and ours is pretty terrible. We are 
> wanting to replace the wiki with something better, we just haven't found what 
> that better thing is yet.
> 
> Suggests welcome!
> 
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, I see where I'm going wrong here. The main site blog has very fine 
>> navigation and access to the announcements, themes and plugins, though it 
>> would be nice to have the "Powered by Habari" at the bottom somewhere.
>> 
>> It's when you get sidetracked on the Wiki that I find all those features 
>> missing. So again, Habari blog good, Wiki bad.
>> 
>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:27:58 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote:
>> This is a search URL on the project site:
>> 
>> https://habariproject.org/en/search?criteria=release
>> 
>> As you can see it technically works, there just isn't a text input for it. 
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Les Henders
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