Neil and all, Neil, I have to ask you what's up? ... a couple of weeks ago we were the only ones that showed up for IRC meeting and had a good chance to talk ... you told me about this same issue of needing a server then ... I told you that if you could give me the specs, I would not only start looking for a host - paid or not - and, I would either pay for it, if need be, or contribute to the costs, depending on the amount of the ongoing charges ... with a set of specs in hand, that is something I am fully qualified to do for you ...
I have only seen two references to this issue since then 1) where you polled everyone else concerning estimates for space and bandwidth requirements 2) and I saw an offer from someone else come in similar to mine stating a willingness to help identify a host and pay for hosting costs ... since I did not see any estimates of any kind coming in, to speed up the process of compiling estimates, I forwarded the actual numbers from my current site that - though coming from a different type of site build - I thought might be of some help ... especially, the stats for the large increase in volume I experienced after I was linked from the National site, as an imperfect, but existing set of guidelines ... I would have also been willing to poll other existing Dean websites to build some demographics for you by now ... But I have seen nothing come through to either of us who made the offer to provide what you ask for ... no spec sheets for the server needs, and no other estimates ... Now, tonight, Josh threw out the idea to use a clean, top level domain for your network, an issue I raised weeks ago though perhaps not as clearly ... and he wrote, 'If there's free country namespace nationwide, this could be a good option for our network users.' And, I agree, and this is something I have experience with ... more to the point I already own one that is clean and certified by the NIC and ready to go ... and I offered to hand it over to the group for use ... But, the only response I have gotten back is yours: 'Domains are easy to come by... we need to find some servers.' So, we come to the real issue, do you want help or not? ... if the point you are trying to get across is that I should just walk, feel free to just tell me that ... I have other things I am doing and I don't need to keep coming up against a brick wall if I can be of no help here ... there will be no hard feelings ... (I have also been working on the other project you suggested for me, to develop some themes, though it is outside my range of experience, and I am starting to get the hang of it.) What I know for certain is that if the group decides to accept the suggestion that Josh put forward tonight to use a top level domain, with state and city references - even if you register one tonight - you will be hard pressed to have it certified by the NIC in time to meet the deadlines that were promised and sent out to those who signed up at AmericansForDean ... because the requirements for establishing a top level domain - and the time requirements for having one ready for use - are considerably different from common domain registrations ... especially if you are going to try to establish some form of group or joint ownership of the domain ... transferring one that is already certified from sole to group ownership will also take some time; however, it would not hold up the project ... I have been impressed with what you all are attempting to do and the progress you are making recently, and I would like to make a contribution ... what I don't like is banging my head on a wall ... I would rather wish you well, and walk, if there is nothing I can do to help ... let me know ... Howard2 > Domains are easy to come by. We need to find some servers. Anything supporting PHP and SQL will do. Hoefully we will find some grassroots organizations with hosts, but we, as shown by the current state of americansfordean.com, need reliable servers with bandwidth to survive a campaign. > > -Neil > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > aim: ndrumm3 > http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ndrumm > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Howard Vicini wrote: > > > > > Josh & all, > > > > I have sent this information before, but maybe you weren't thinking along > > these lines yet ... > > > > I already own www.dean4america.us and, as I have said, I registered it for > > just such a purpose ... > > > > I thought perhaps the '4' vs 'for' could become the subtle, distinguishing > > factor between volunteer vs official Dean sites ... er, nodes ... > > > > You are welcome to it, and I am willing to give up ownership to the group, > > as long as you are certain that you will put it to use. > > > > Howard2 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua Koenig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:55 PM > > Subject: [hackers] Names and Domains > > > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > My hometown Meetup group in Eugene (lane county) somehow got the > > > following domain for their activities: > > > > > > http://dean2004.lane.or.us/ > > > > > > I'll inquire. If there's free country namespace nationwide, this could > > > be a good option for our network users. > > > > > > cheers > > > -josh > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Politics is the art of controlling your environment. Participate! > > > Elect Howard Dean President in 2004! > > > http://www.outlandishjosh.com/politics/dean/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
