On Sunday 27 January 2013 23:57:37 Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi Lisi,
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:48:08PM +0000, Lisi wrote:
> > On Sunday 27 January 2013 18:23:13 Robert Longstaff wrote:
> > > Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do
> > > intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies
> > > specifically come to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the
> > > main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take
> > > their knowledge with them.
> >
> > I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a
> > very limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people
> > present are experienced users.
>
> I'm struggling to find a polite way to say this but I don't feel
> that a majority of the thread starters here are experienced Linux users
> (from the post content) at all, and I also feel that there will be
> lurkers who are put off from posting questions because of the
> technical nature of posts they see.

You misunderstand me, Andy.  I myself would benefit from fairly basic talks 
and generally find those I attend pretty much above my head.  But it is my 
perception that most of you are considerably more knowledgeable than I am.  I 
am also very conscious that in some locations everyone is in the same room 
and an inaccessible talk can be very boring.

Since my perception is that most of you are above my head, I also think that 
having the talks too basic could drive people away.  If we find a way of 
attracting more total beginners, then obviously that balance would change.

Are we perhaps meaning something different by "complete beginner"??

> So I am not sure that even very basic talks should be discouraged.
> Everyone starts somewhere.
>
> Do bear in mind that experts are more able to go off and find
> conferences and communities more befitting their level of expertise
> anyway. (Hey, it's FOSDEM this weekend!)
>
> > So far there has been a good mix of talks and levels.  This seems to me
> > to be a much better idea.
>
> No one has proposed focusing exclusively on beginner talks. Robert
> specifically spoke AGAINST focusing on such. "A good mix of talks"
> does mean SOME beginner stuff.

 I was *agreeing* with Robert.  He had just said:

> > I think it would be great if people are prepared to do
> > intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies
> > specifically come to that meeting) **but I wouldn't want to make that the
> > main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take
> > their knowledge with them.**

(my stars)

The second half of that paragraph is exactly what I think.

Lisi


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