On 18/02/15 16:37, Jay Bennie wrote:
On 18 Feb 2015, at 16:19, Lisi <hants...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday 18 February 2015 16:07:17 Jay Bennie wrote:
interesting reading, i wonder when people at the top will realise just
because you have a qualification, wont mean your any good at it. Software
development is as much an art form as it is a trained skill. All this will
do is flood the market with crap programmers.
That applies to anything.  But to select your good tennis players, you have to
have a decent sized pool of tennis players in the first place.

Naturally good people always rise to the top, all this will do is lower the 
salaries they will receive.

it really narks the establishment and companies that software peeps get paid 
more than senior managers and there is an ongoing effort by companies to lower 
salaries by making it a commodity job.

and don't be so naive to suggest that people of the future will need more 
computing skills, if anything computing skills will be required less as tooling 
and AI becomes more sophisticated and automated. 10 years from now we will 
simply ask a machine to write software for us and only a very small number of 
people will be in a position to modify that base code.

Software development is an art form.  But it requires skills.
painters of the fine arts know all to well that to be master of art you must 
posses exacting skill.

As does software maintenance.  And those skills must be learnt, they are not 
innate,
and can be taught.

This may be true. There may be more systems, but the natural evolution will 
concentrate knowledge into fewer and fewer parts.  Thus fewer and fewer teams. 
the few commodity roles will be passed to the lowest bidder and this will 
mostly be offshore.  So we are training people to have skills they will never 
practice. It would be far better for the government to concentrate resources on 
producing more Nurses and Farmers.

Are you going to not teach Maths, because not every child can become an Alan
Turing?
Math has a natural use in all subjects and life skills, computing and software 
don't, and the idea that kids need to be taught to type or surf the web is 
laughable.

Lisi

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and many of those that we regards as masters of art today, died penniless and unknown.

Will we look back in the future at those in the software industry and hold some of them them in high esteem as we do old artists?? If you say yes then consider the case of Alan Truing.........

Tim

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