I'm curious. What exactly is discussed on this list? Is it pure M not related to VistA or does that come up as well? Mostly users of GTM? Etc etc.
Also, I didn't know it was uga.edu GO DAWGS! Sorry - I'm BIG G, all the way. /David. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:03 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival A really good point! Thank you. We need to announce the WV meeting, the party and the MDC meeting on it. On Friday 04 March 2005 06:43 pm, GARY MONGER wrote: > The MUMPS list [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not very active anymore, but it > still has people listening. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:16 PM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival > > Hope I am not just repeating what others have said. Two different times in > the 90's I did M programming for Lab Corp as a consultant (the first time > under its old name National Health Labs). I also did M programming for > Quest under one of its old names of Corning MetPath. I knew that Lab Corp > was planning to move away from M in 1996. I do not know how far they got. > There were also at least two other medical lab companies that used M in the > 90's. > > Jim Gray > > > Thank you, Marcia! I, for one, was unaware of Quest and LabCorp using M > > and I > > > would like to know more so that we can contact the right people. Can > > email > > > me some information (nancy at anthracite dot name) please ? Otherwise, > > who > > > knows if the message will get where it needs to go. > > > > On Thursday 03 March 2005 08:41 am, MARCIA MCKINZIE wrote: > > > I have been an Mumps programmer for 15+ years, outside of the VA, > > however I > > > > first learned the language at the VA (as part of a work/study program). > > > > > > One of the problems, new programmers, can be solved by the VA, or any > > other > > > > M shop. Many universities and colleges now requires a senior project > > > of their students. Contacting local collages to have 1 or more > > > students > > work > > > > at the VA as part of a work/study program would allow more new > > programmers > > > > to learn M. They would be learning M and doing some programming during > > > thier senior year as the senior project. This will expose more people > > to M > > > > and create a new talent pool for the VA to hire. It would also help > > > the students start thier resume and have work references before leaving > > school. > > > > M has always been unique, not being taught in school, but in a > > > mentoring environment. It would be a shame to throw away the culture > > > that makes > > this > > > > language so unique, instead we should use it to grow and expand. > > > > > > Additionally, many programmers out there that use M are probably > > > unaware > > of > > > > this discussion.(Quest, Kaiser Permanente, Labcorp) These programmers > > > should be drawn in and included in the revival of MDC. That way it is > > not > > > > just VA specific and will meet the needs of a wide variety of > > institutions. > > > > Marcia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > > Received: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:25:09 AM EST > > > From: Aylesworth Marc A Contr AFRL/IFSE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net'" > > > <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival > > > > > > Mumps is not hard to learn. There is no motivation to learn a language > > in > > > > school or other places unless it is going to be useful, face it Mumps > > > is > > a > > > > niche language for writing databases. There is no reason for newer > > > developers to learn Mumps so there is no reason for schools to teach > > > it. When I went to a training class for Mumps 3-4 yrs ago there were 4 > > students > > > > and three of them were from the VA and wanted to learn Mumps so they > > could > > > > extract info out of Vista to put it into a relational DB like SQL2000. > > The > > > > developers are going to use what they know and right now there is no > > push > > > > from anyone to change. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Marc Aylesworth > > > > > > C3I Associates > > > > > > AFRL/IFSE > > > > > > Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team > > > > > > 525 Brooks Rd > > > > > > Rome, NY 13441-4505 > > > > > > Tel:315.330.2422 > > > > > > Fax:315.330.7009 > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg > > > Woodhouse > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:08 AM > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival > > > > > > Oh, that's easy: MUMPS is hard to learn because 2+3*4 = 20. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Can you think of even one other language (using infix notation, that > > > is) where this is true? (Okay, okay, I don't know MIIS, but it might be > > > an exception.) > > > > > > --- "Sowinski, Richard J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > When did everyone get so dumb ? You learned M. I learned M. When did > > > > it all > > > > of a sudden get so difficult to learn it ? > > > > Are you saying we were smarter than the upcoming generation ? I don't > > > > think > > > > so. > > > > > > > > The real problem with Vista right now is not the language. It is the > > > > shear > > > > size of it, and the rat's nest of poorly documented code > > > > under the hood, which is the result of years of patching already > > > > patched > > > > code. I liken it to a huge wad of gum. > > > > > > > > A redesign in M is as valid as a redesign in any other language. In > > > > fact, it > > > > would be much simpler. VA already has the installed base, > > > > and the in-house expertise. > > > > > > > > We'll find out 10 years from now (maybe) when the current redesign is > > > > finished, how well it works , and how many people it takes to > > > > support it. > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, by the way, outsourcing has worked really well. CoreFLS was > > > > a grand > > > > success. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > > > steven > > > > mcphelan > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:06 AM > > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe Cameron's statement about the VA management not being able > > > > to back > > > > off of migrating to a newer platform is probably very close to the > > > > truth. > > > > However, I am sure that there were some real business management > > > > decisions > > > > made (or at least I hope so). I saw an article recently that > > > > estimated that > > > > 40-50% of the current VA IT staff will be retiring in the next 5 > > > > years. If > > > > I was a manager of VA IT I would be very concerned about that. I > > > > would > > > > seriously consider moving my technology to a platform that enables me > > > > to > > > > recruit competent IT staff without having to rely on in-house > > > > training for > > > > the next generation of VA IT support. I would even consider > > > > technology that > > > > is inferior to my current technology as long as the new technology > > > > meets my > > > > needs and gives me greater flexibilty in personnel matters or provide > > > > me the > > > > opportunity to competitively outsource some IT functions. > > > > > > ===== > > > A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. > > > --Benjamin Disraeli > > > ==== > > > Greg Woodhouse > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real > > > users. 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