You do know about the Fileman Delphi vcomponents, don't you? Obviously, they're of no use if you're not using Delphi, but VistA does include a set of controls analogous to Delphi'sa data controls for relational DBMSs (How do you pronounce that?)
--- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rusty, > > Just for the record, I think a screenman-like > interface for editing fields would be great. > Especially if it was a dynamic form. Unless you write > it, though. I don't see it happening. > > Kevin > > > --- TMaynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks once again ...another object shortcut that I > > havent seen in the HTML > > manuals(beginning,advanced,or programmer). > > The presentation of this array ^?? is essentially > > what I referred in an > > earlier post: > > "Since Fileman has routines to parse and present > > fieldnames in roll/scroll > > dialogs,it would be a treat to receive that same > > info on a silver platter" > > (the silver platter being a default Screenman-like > > form that could be toggled to > > various sortings) > > I am ruminating on this feature for omnibus > > access, while Thom H. has placed > > that in perspective with the greater use of > > production templates. I suppose > > Fileman in management and learning provokes some of > > my sort of newcomer > > reactions ...so perhaps I need to move attention > > over to Screenman and (leaving > > input) I have hardly scratched the surface of > > reporting tools. > > > > Rusty Maynard > > > > Cameron Schlehuber wrote: > > > BTW, if you type "^??" at any prompt where you > > have multiple fields > > > available to be edited, FileMan will echo to you a > > list of the field choices > > > by field number as well as name (e.g. you can type > > "^.01" to go back to the > > > primary field in a record, or "^NAME" (if the > > field is called "NAME")). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Holloway, > > > Thomas (EDS) > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:09 PM > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Roll/Scroll > > changes for Fileman > > > > > > Rusty said: "When using a default "All Fields" > > edit, your are tacitly saying > > > ...let the > > > iteration of every next field be my picklist > > ...and onward." > > > > > > Rusty, > > > While this is true, you should almost never be > > doing this in a production > > > environment. You should use existing options for > > 99.5% of your data entry > > > needs. The routines and Input Templates that have > > been prepared for each > > > package are designed with built-in business and > > database rules that might be > > > violated if using FM in "All Fields" mode. Once > > you are familiar with a > > > given application and the relationship between all > > affected files and > > > fields, you can create your own Input Templates > > and link them to Options > > > that you create. > > > > > > Thom H. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of TMaynard > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:57 PM > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Roll/Scroll > > changes for Fileman > > > > > > Thanks for this tip Cameron. > > > Editing in Fileman without it is like a mailman > > whose vehicle has no reverse > > > > > > gear. When using a default "All Fields" edit, your > > are tacitly saying ...let > > > the > > > iteration of every next field be my picklist > > ...and onward. > > > (of course mailmen are skilled at stopping > > correctly at each mailbox,rarely > > > need > > > reverse, and they even presort so their mail is > > delivered in the > > > proverbial > > > sequence) I can understand how staff using well > > known menus can be very > > > swift > > > with roll/scroll being like a mailman who knows > > the routes. > > > The diversity of newcomers to OpenVista or > > VistaOffice are the reason > > > for > > > the questions of my previous posts on this thread. > > What are the new > > > ergonomic > > > tools for settings where Vista is used by staff > > who are traversing many > > > menus > > > as newcomers or multitasking? It seems to me that > > these new installations in > > > > > > various private settings will have the double task > > of learning what's there > > > and > > > devising their own menus to reflect their > > patterns. > > > If Fileman is the engine for all this > > adaptation, then this seems to beg > > > for > > > new features to Fileman, regardless of which > > menus and files are modified > > > or > > > created. ( I don't think everything needs a rich > > GUi like CPRS). > > > I am far from having proficiency in using > > what's already there, but I > > > still > > > have to ask what is on the horizon to be added? > > > > > > Rusty Maynard > > > > > > Cameron Schlehuber wrote: > > > > > >>Rusty, you state: "and either way there is no > > option to backup (or > > > > > > re-edit) > > > > > >>any one of the fields, as each field must be > > edited in sequence" > > >> > > >>Actually, you can "jump" to any field by > > pre-pending the circumflex "^" in > > >>front of the field name (or first part of the > > name) you wish to jump to > > > > > > ... > > > > > >>backwards or forwards. (So long as the "NO^" flag > > hasn't been set by the > > >>programmer.) > > >> > > >>Cameron Schlehuber > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > TMaynard > > > > > >>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:16 PM > > >>To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Roll/Scroll > > changes for Fileman > > >> > > >>Mouse navigation would be handy for working with > > large and crowded > > > > > > Screenman > > > > > >>templates which is all well and good, for when a > > form has been composed > > > > > > for > > > > > >>a > > >>frequently used view of data input or display. > > >> But I don't understand why Fileman doesnt have a > > default Screenman-like > > >>form > > >>for *every* dialog in which Fileman awaits > > multiple input responses. > > >> Whether editing or inquiring into selected > > fields,only the most > > > > > > familiar > > > > > >>user > > >>can rattle off a long list of fields for > > editing.Most have to query "?" to > > > > > > > > >>review the list of fields,then up arrow "^" to > > enter them manually at the > > >>prompt. Editing more than a dozen fields, it is > > almost as easy to elect to > > >>edit > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration > Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! 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