I would like to point out that if anyone is interested in influencing the VA 
in a positive manner, that this mailing list is read by many within the VA  
and that a more circumspect manner of dealing with controversy would be 
appropriate.  I do not think the recent flame wars are doing anyone any good.   
It is a new element and, in my opinion, certainly not a good one.  

So next time, please leave in the education and take out the flame.  There is 
clearly a lot of much needed expertise being offered, but it is not likely to 
be appreciated or utilized if it continues to be presented in this manner.

If a flame is not responded to in kind, I think the one who lets it just lie 
there will have "won" in the hearts and minds of most of us. 

On Friday 14 October 2005 01:19 am, Todd Berman wrote:
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 01:24 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 18:04 -0700, Todd Berman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 20:46 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > > It just takes time is all. Time that we are spending in other places
> > > > right now. I am trying to find time to spend in that place so we can
> > > > open up the development, but it just isn't there today.
> > > >
> > > > If someone in this community was willing to step forward, and offer
> > > > to setup, and maintain all of these services for the longer term
> > > > future, then we could look at it more now, but I don't see that
> > > > happening. Not to mention that we would still have to discuss the
> > > > entire thing internally and make sure this is something we are
> > > > comfortable with (this being the holy trinity of
> > > > bugzilla/mediawiki/mailman).
> > >
> > > I might be able to support that if you think it can be useful.  I need
> > > to ask some of the NYLXS people if they want to do this.
> >
> > I would say maybe begin to gather info.
> >
> > We see it as there are a cpl solutions
> >
> > 1) Get VA Software to let us use SFEE for this (our current solution,
> > not perfect, but it does work pretty well already, this is potentially
> > the most minimal amount of work).
>
> I must be behind the curve on something here.  If Larry is the CEO of
> Medishere then why doesn't he just donate a Sorceforge enterprise with
> code to you?

Because we haven't asked?

We are exploring all the available options.

Also, please keep in mind that Larry is not some kind of ruling monarch
at VA, sure, he has more influence there than you or I, but that doesn't
assure anything.

As well, believe it or not, we would like to use something opensource to
manage and develop an opensource application.

Either way, all involved would like option #1 to be the last ditch
option, not the first avenue of pursuit.

--Todd



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