We've used McAfee and Cache for five years without a problem. I would point out we have a hardware firewall and don't use McAfee firewall - also use a licensed version of Cache. Cache has been used under both NT Server, and W2K3 Server (with McAfee) without signs of any problem.
thurman > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 9:05 PM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name change > > I am the one who had trouble with McAfee not allowing Cache to work, and > just > turning it off was not enough. McAfee had to be completely uninstalled, > but > I heard that the McAfee issue had been resolved. Unfortunatly, I am not > sure > where I heard it, but I am sure technical support can confirm or deny > that. > > I agree that especially considering I was using the free single user > download > of Cache, the technical support was both unexpected and excellent. If I > recall correctly, this happened the first time I installed Cache. This was > before I met Jim Pietila and some of the others at Intersystems who I now > pester fairly regularly! > > When we were in Boston at the WorldVistA meeting hosted by Intersystems, > the > support was truly unbelievable. Folks shagged out of bed on Sunday to > come > get things working for us, and that was only a small part of the help we > were > given. > > On Sunday 25 December 2005 05:42 pm, James Gray wrote: > I hope I am on the right wavelength and right message. I am not aware of > problems between McAfee and Cache. What I have mentioned on this list > before is that Zone Alarm breaks Cache. To be more precise installing or > upgrading Cache with Zone Alarm running will cause things to get screwed > up > in the install that cannot be fixed with a reinstall. I truly never > understood the details. I also had problems with an upgrade of Zone > Alarm. > I will add that I think that Intersystems technical support for users of > their free developers version of Cache is outstanding. That is much more > than I can say for Zone Labs tech support. I do not know what if any > problems there are with McAfee and Cache. Please do not confuse my > complaint about Zone Alarm with McAfee. > > Jim Gray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ronald Ponto > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name change > > > I wish they would log the answer so I wouldn't have to wait for > them > to answer the phone; I hate talking to Tech support. > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Nancy Anthracite > Date: 12/24/05 07:26:30 > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name change > > Also, call Intersystems Tech Support because I was told the > problem > with McAfee had been resolved. > > On Saturday 24 December 2005 07:16 am, Ronald Ponto wrote: > I tried to setup VISTA but had a communication error (I am using > Mcafee-which can cause a problem). I don't want to work without a > firewall or virus screen so i went the other route. I downloaded the GT-M > version and it downloaded pretty fast (I have a 100M connection). After > downloading it I tried to write it to CD but my Easy CD Creator wouldn't > work with the ISO file and I don't have any other way to read the ISO > file. > So I have put it on the back-burner till after Christmas- I am working > the > Christmas weekend including the government holiday which itself is a mess > with Monday as the legal holiday. > > Time to get off my soapbox. > Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays > > Ron > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Thurman Pedigo > Date: 12/23/05 10:35:46 > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name change > > Though I don't want to turn this into a Cache/GT.M shootout, I > find a > resonance in Greg's comments that deserves support. This comment > should in no way be taken as criticism of the dedicated members of this > list > who are quick to lend a helping hand, regardless of platform, to the > newbie > or people like me with experience in FileMan, though week in coding and > plumbing the depths of VistA. I don't mention names to avoid overlooking > important contributors - everyone here knows them. > > In respect to Greg's comment - I find myself winnowing the VistA > "specifics" from the Linux/GT.M posts of this list. I had a go at Linux > GT.M > and decided that my time may best be spent getting a grip on VistA in a > relatively familiar environment. I chose this route, correctly or not, > over > whole-cloth conversion to Linux while still struggling with VistA. > > I have spent a lot of time looking, in vain, for a solution and > kept > this observation low-key, since I think raising a criticism without > offering > a solution is counterproductive. I am no closer to the solution and only > want to voice the reminder that just becaue you don't hear it doesn't > mean > the problem isn't there. > > I haven't the wisdom to make a suggestion for change. What I have > done is frequently remind myself that's just the way it is. Noone's > fault, > noone to blame, though for those limited to Win/Cache we need to be a > little > more careful (efficient?) scanning our email. > > Thanks, > > thurman > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > > Greg Woodhouse Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:59 PM > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA > > > > --- "K.S. Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Greg -- > > > > > > Normally, you are objective and reasoned. > > > > Thanks. I'll grant that you did catch me on a bad day. > > > > > On this post, however, I > > > regret that I have several bones to pick with you. See below. > > > > > > -- Bhaskar > > > > > > On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 13:14 -0600, Greg Woodhouse wrote: > > > > --- Ronald Ponto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The list does seem to have a preponderance of GT.M users, > but > > > > VOE runs > > > > > > [KSB] How I wish this were the case! Owing to the number of > VA > > > users and the extensive use of non-GT.M implementations of > MUMPS > > > within the VA, and owing to VOE, I think GT.M users are > probably > > > in a non-trivial > > > minority. > > > > I'll grant you that VA personnel are not usually the ones to ask > > questions here, but that seems neither here nor there. True, VA > > medical centers do use Cache', but I don't know that I'd infer > that > > new users are necessarily going to be adopters of one platform > over > > the other. As an aside, I started to delete that sentence > (twice), > > because I really do not means this to be a Cache' vs. GT.M or a > > Fidelity vs. InterSystems type message. Both products (and > perhaps > > others) ought to have a place on this list. > > > > > > on Cache' not GT.M. Ironically, I might be more ready to use > > > > GT.M > > > > > > if > > > > > > > the list didn't seem so lop-sided on the GT.M side. I don't > > > > have an > > > > > > [KSB] It is probably a fair statement to say that there are > more > > > newbie > > > users of VistA on GT.M on this forum (and of course newbie > users > > > need more help and are more vocal than non-newbie users; > besides > > > people ask > > > questions where they find their questions are answered). > > > > Yes. But isn't that what I was saying? That the focus of > discussion > > here seems to be on GT.M. Maybe that's okay. > > > > > > infinite amount of time, and certainly can't do everything > I'd > > > > > > like, > > > > > > > but I think it would be very nice to see a portable > > > > implementation that > > > > could be distributed with VistA installed (even if not > > > > completely configured). I am not at all happy with the way > > > > Linux seems to be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > only OS that anyone wants to use for development. Again, I > > > > think I might be a bit more friendly to Linux if there were > > > > more of a > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > (and if the distribution weren't so "kute"). > > > > > > [KSB] Since I don't have the right to distribute Windows, or > OS > > > X, the > > > choice comes down to Linux and *BSD variants. > > > > But there is nothing to stop you from installing *.msi files > (for > > Windows) or *.mpkg files (for OS X). Is it really necessary to > > distribute an entire OS to distribute VistA? If it is, I'd > submit > > that we have some serious work to do, because that just > shouldn't > > be. > > > > > > I really don't have a > > > > > strong personal preference between them. However since (a) I > > > already had a GT.M on Linux, and (b) Linux live CDs came > before > > > *BSD live CDs, I > > > chose to release VistA on Linux. I felt that it was better to > do > > > what > > > little I could even if I couldn't do everything. > > > > I certainly don't fault you for focusing on Linux. That's not > what > > bothers me, it's the absence of anything else. > > > > > >... > > > > > > [KSB] A minor point, but your post suggests that Linux is not > a > > > commercial operating system. Open source free software like > > > Linux and > > > GT.M on Linux are very much commercial software. Only, the > > > licensing terms are different, and the GPL gives the licensee > > > more Freedom than traditional software licenses (see > > > http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html for more an > > > essay on the topic). > > > > I suppose I could have said "proprietary" rather than > "commercial". > > Is that any better? I guess I tend to avoid terms like > proprietary > > and closed source because they have derogatory overtones that > I'd > > rather avoid. > > > > > For the record, I feel strongly enough about the importance of > > > VistA that I have offered more than once at the VistA > Community > > > Meetings and > > > the VistA Community Calls to teach anyone interested, > including > > > InterSystems, how to create a live CD of VistA on Cache. The > > > offer still stands. > > > > Good for you. Hey, a live CD bailed me out last weekend when I > > trashed the boot block on a Windows system, and it was necessary > to > > boot Knoppix to restore it. > > > > > As President Kennedy said, "ask not what your country can do > for > > > you; ask what you can do for your country." An old Chinese > > > proverb says that > > > it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. > > > > I think I heard that once. :-) > > > > I would like to think that I do some good, but I don't have an > > infinite amount of time or energy. I can't do everything I'd > like > > to, and there seems little point in embarking on a project such > as > > this without at least a little "buy in". > > > > Why get > > > > > on a > > > soapbox about what other people are doing when they have done > you > > > no harm? > > > > That's a fair point. There have been more than a couple of times > > that I've considered unsubscribing from Hardhats because I feel > > like it no longer fits my interests or goals, but I guess I feel > > strongly about VistA, too. > > > > > If you feel strongly about VistA on FreeBSD, why not turn your > > > energies to do something positive? > > > > How do you know that I am not? I thought of posting some of my > work > > on fMUMPS, but so far as I know, only one other member of this > list > > has expressed any interest in it. I've been putting a fair > amount > > of work into interpreting imperative languages using something > like > > Peyton-Jones' G-machine. I've been exploring the use of virtual > > machines in MUMPS for portability. Things I'd like to do, but > for > > which I've had no time include tightening up Fileman and Kernel, > > perhaps incorporating them into a language library. I would love > to > > see an embedded VistA, a device people could simply turn on. And > > you probably have no idea how much time I spend off list just > > answering questions. I hardly think it fair to say I am not > doing > > anything! > > > > > I will gladly render what > > > assistance > > > I can for you to get VistA running on a FreeBSD live CD. > > > > I may take you up on that, but I think I have a ways to go > before I > > reach that point. > > > > === > > Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > "Interaction is the mind-body problem of computing." > > --Philip L. Wadler > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep > through > > log files > > for problems? Stop! 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