Yeah DLP has a bulb, but the one I got was one of the first (and now last)
DLPs with LED backlights! So the life and brightness on this one is
awesome! Only issue is hot-spotting, which happens with all RPTVs.
But other than that (which isn't that big an issue since you're usually
sitting still), it was definitely the best bang/buck purchase I'd make in a
long time! ;)
BINO
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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:11 PM
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I had considered picking up old stock on a Kuros and decided no if they're
not making
them. Agreed they are/were the best, sad to loose that option. If Elites are
still in
production, even with someone else making the glass, I guess I'd consider
them as an
option.
240/120 are multiples of 24 which is supposed to mean 24 frame movie content
displays
right in addition to handling normal 60hz video w/o crapping out on moving
content.
Of course theres a zillion caveats to how comb filters, upscallers, and
other
features frakk an otherwise great set for a given mode: SD, HD, BluRay,
etc...
Granted I am just picking this up from reading over the past year so I could
be wrong.
DLP uses the bulb that burns out in several hundred hours, right? Unit takes
up more
space because it's a projector in a box? Eh, not what I'd want to invest in
personally. Same with Plasma given the cost, despite the advantages, due to
degrading
nature of plasma over a few years.
LCD w/ LED backlight seems to have come a long way and the prices are
dropping closer
to the level of old CRT sets in similar sizes. I remember paying $900 for a
27"
non-XBR WEGA in 2000 when I thought it would cost more like $500. Only to
find out I
was sold an old model and it wasn't XBR or 32" for that much! If fact I paid
almost
$200 more to get the model with 2 SVID jacks, LOL.
Last set I considered in June was 46"? 240hz Bravia XBR9 for $2400 during a
BB sale.
The scam was there are two sequential sizes (46" & 52") but the sale was
only on the
52" reduced to the normal price of the 46". Guess they figured customers
would jump
on it getting a 52 for the 46's price but what I really wanted was 46" for
the same
amount off! ;) Now I see it's about $2K for the KDL-46XBR9 I looked at.
Random, yes, you & I both seem to be in that mode for the same goal except I
did not
bite yet! Still waiting, maybe next spring...
Bino Gopal wrote:
> Yeah Pioneer got out of the "making" plasma business. I know a bit about
> this b/c I researched extensively (and dithered for a while too) when my
26"
> Sony XBR WEGA CRT died earlier this year in Feb; was the best picture you
> could get, but it was just too small and I wanted something bigger.
>
> The Pioneer is still the best picture you're going to get, even compared
to
> new LCDs b/c the blacks are the blackest and all that. That's b/c the
> filter or comb or whatever you call it on the Kuros (Kuro is the plasma
> line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no
joke-it's
> also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the
> economic downturn.
>
> So I was very tempted to pick one up; Best Buy had sales on them and was
> considering a display model two, but the 2 problems with that:
>
> 1) Since they're no longer making them, if something happens, what would I
> get as a replacement? Basically no guarantees on warranty or anything
> 2) The 60" (I wanted at least that size) was ~$5-6k, even if I got a floor
> model which has been on for a while, etc
>
> Since I got a 60" LED DLP that looks great for $950 (and just has a little
> hotspotting; otherwise the picture is AWESOME with HD cable (though you
can
> tell which channels are skimping on the bandwidth, and which aren't-I will
> say SyFy and USA are doing a *very* good job there) and for what I paid I
> wouldn't feel bad in getting a new set in 2 or more years if I wanted
> to-though I don't hope to need to.
>
> And by then, things will have changed enough there'll be better tech out
> there that obviates all this stuff.
>
> And yeah, if you look at the industry, LCD has always been an inferior
> picture; it's gotten better, but objectives test show it's still not as
good
> as a good plasma (read: Pioneer Kuro Elite, or the best Panasonics, which
> aren't bad either), but it was all a function of thinness and marketing;
the
> buying public is not the techie or detail-oriented and if you can fool
them,
> you drive the market to kill all the non-thin sets, and plasma was still
too
> expensive in comparison and also uses a lot more power.
>
> I mean, an LCD tv is just a big computer monitor right? There's stuff
> native to the technology that don't make it good for viewing tv/movies and
> all that motion, hence all the 120Hz, 240Hz BS they have to do to
compensate
> for that (I was talking to an ISF certified tech while at Best Buy who was
> filling me in on some of this stuff).
>
> I mean, some of the new tvs with the 240Hz "super-reality" stuff just
looks
> WRONG-have you guys seen what I'm talking about?! It's crazy; it takes
> movies and makes them look like video and it just looks WRONG!
>
> Anyway, just some random thoughts not organized very well since I spent
> quite a lot of time earlier this year researching and deciding what to
> do...HTH!
>
> BINO
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
> [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Zulfiqar Naushad
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:53 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] advise
>
> Kuro tv's have/had the best contrast ratio and blacks were really black.
>
> And yes. I think that they are no longer producing plasmas any more.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: maccrawj <maccr...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:48:23
> To: <hardware@hardwaregroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [H] advise
>
> I thought Pioneer was out of the plasma business last year thus not making
> Kuro sets
> anymore?
>
> Yes, they WERE the best, pricey, and worth it but no longer made AFAIK.
>
> Winterlight wrote:
>> At 07:00 PM 9/26/2009, you wrote:
>>> Everything over 39" or so is 1080p, plasma is dead, you want 120hz or
>>> better refresh
>> I wouldn't say that. The best HD display available is still the Pioneer
>> Elites, all be it they are very expensive. Plasma still has the best
>> color, and black levels and I think you would be hard pressed to find an
>> expert who doesn't think so. For high end 60 inch and above I still
>> think they have a place. They just need to get the power requirement
>> down..... and the price.
>>
>> this is a interesting article from last June
>> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2349236,00.asp
>>
>> June 24, 2009 -By Dr. Raymond Soneira, President DisplayMate
>> Technologies Corp.
>> LCD-Plasma Display Technology Shoot-Out
>> If you were shopping for a large-screen HDTV just a few years ago you
>> would have seen mostly Rear Projection HDTVs, based primarily on DLP,
>> LCD and LCoS technologies, plus a fair number of pricey direct-view
>> Plasmas, and maybe a few very expensive direct-view LCDs. It's amazing
>> how the TV industry has abruptly toggled into an entirely different
>> lineup. Now you'll see mostly direct-view LCDs together with a small
>> number of Plasmas. If you look in some back corner you may find a few
>> attractively priced Rear Projection DLP HDTVs. CRT and LCoS technologies
>> are now dead for HDTVs, and Rear Projection is "a dead man walking."
>>
>> Scientifically, it's hard to understand why this happened because CRT,
>> LCoS and DLP offered the highest picture quality at the lowest price,
>> while direct-view large-screen LCDs have historically offered the lowest
>> picture quality at the highest price. This seems to be the result of a
>> series of consumer misconceptions together with some high powered
>> industry marketing. Of course, all of the display technologies have
>> improved dramatically over the last few years, so we decided to revisit
>> this topic and do a new in-depth Shoot-Out comparison and analysis of
>> LCD and Plasma technologies to find out how they are currently
performing.
>>
>>
>>
> <snip>
>
>
