George Harley wrote:
Hi,

Just seen Tim's note on test support classes and it really caught my attention as I have been mulling over this issue for a little while now. I think that it is a good time for us to return to the topic of class library test layouts.

The current proposal [1] sets out to segment our different types of test by placing them in different file locations. After looking at the recent changes to the LUNI module tests (where the layout guidelines were applied) I have a real concern that there are serious problems with this approach. We have started down a track of just continually growing the number of test source folders as new categories of test are identified and IMHO that is going to bring complexity and maintenance issues with these tests.
Yes, you'll see our ant scripts get more and more complex. :-)


Consider the dimensions of tests that we have ...

API
Harmony-specific
Platform-specific
Run on classpath
Run on bootclasspath
Behaves different between Harmony and RI
Stress
...and so on...


If you weigh up all of the different possible permutations and then consider that the above list is highly likely to be extended as things progress it is obvious that we are eventually heading for large amounts of related test code scattered or possibly duplicated across numerous "hard wired" source directories. How maintainable is that going to be ?

If we want to run different tests in different configurations then IMHO we need to be thinking a whole lot smarter. We need to be thinking about keeping tests for specific areas of functionality together (thus easing maintenance); we need something quick and simple to re-configure if necessary (pushing whole directories of files around the place does not seem a particularly lightweight approach); and something that is not going to potentially mess up contributed patches when the file they patch is found to have been recently pushed from source folder A to B.

To connect into another recent thread, there have been some posts lately about handling some test methods that fail on Harmony and have meant that entire test case classes have been excluded from our test runs. I have also been noticing some API test methods that pass fine on Harmony but fail when run against the RI. Are the different behaviours down to errors in the Harmony implementation ? An error in the RI implementation ? A bug in the RI Javadoc ? Only after some investigation has been carried out do we know for sure. That takes time. What do we do with the test methods in the meantime ? Do we push them round the file system into yet another new source folder ? IMHO we need a testing strategy that enables such "problem" methods to be tracked easily without disruption to the rest of the other tests.
It's really worth thinking about our testing strategy...

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that the TestNG framework [2] seemed like a reasonably good way of allowing us to both group together different kinds of tests and permit the exclusion of individual tests/groups of tests [3]. I would like to strongly propose that we consider using TestNG as a means of providing the different test configurations required by Harmony. Using a combination of annotations and XML to capture the kinds of sophisticated test configurations that people need, and that allows us to specify down to the individual method, has got to be more scalable and flexible than where we are headed now.

Will try to study TestNG before I can give comment ;-)

Thanks for reading this far.

Best regards,
George


[1] http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/classlibrary/testing.html
[2] http://testng.org
[3] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/200606.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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