On 3/14/06, Benjamin Franksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 14 March 2006 14:46, Pete Chown wrote: > > Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > > Arrows looks like a replacement for monads. Are you saying > > > I should drop my use of the State monad? If so, why? I like the > > > readability of the do syntax. > > > > Okay, now it's my turn to ask a question. :-) I've read about arrows, > > and while I think I see what they do, I'm not sure why they are seen > > as so special that they even get new syntax. This question of > > Shannon's is exactly the point I struggle with. I can see that the > > arrow operators might be useful with functions, but are they useful > > for other things too? > > Yes, http://www.haskell.org/arrows/biblio.html lists a number of papers > describing non-trivial applications of Arrows, that is, Arrows other > than (->). I found the exposition in > http://www.haskell.org/yale/papers/oxford02/ to be quite readable. > > > For example, as monads are one kind of arrow, > > I thought I would make some of the I/O functions into arrows and see > > what happened. The result was pretty much the same as using the > > monad, except slightly less convenient. > > You can write monadic code without ever using the syntax sugar, and get > along. However, do-notation is convenient. OTOH, I am told that > programming with Arrows is really quite inconvenient w/o the syntax > sugar.
Well, forgive me for my newbie-ness: o How important is it that I switch from using the State monad to using arrows? o How important is it that I switch from using |> or $ to using arrows? (It seems that using arrows just to replace |> or $ is like using a sledge hammer to drive a thumb tack.) o How much will this increase the "conceptual complexity" of my program--i.e. how much time am I going to have to spend explaining it in my article? o How much will this improve the readability or decrease the amount of code in my program? Thanks! -jj _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe