Niklas,

I am opposed since
a) it requires the addition of extra syntax to the language, and
b) we have another, better, way to do it.

Somewhat pointed, I don't think the C++ way of putting all imaginable
ways to do the same thing into the language is a sound design
principle. If we have two ways to do the same thing, and one of them
is considered prefered, then I see no reason at all to keep the other
around. What I'm arguing here is that the GADT style syntax is truly
preferable, and thus the other should be removed.

I agree. But ;-) since it's obvious not possible to get rid of the classic syntax completely, I see no harm in having it support existentials and GADTs as well. In an ideal word, in which there wasn't a single Haskell program written yet, I'd indeed like to throw the classic syntax out altogether.

Cheers,

  Stefan

On Jun 28, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Niklas Broberg wrote:

In other words, in your 2x3 grid of syntactic x expressiveness, I want
the two points corresponding to classic syntax x {existential
quantification, GADTs} to be removed from the language. My second
semi-proposal also makes each of the three points corresponding to the
new cool syntax a separate extension.

I see, but why are you opposed to have the classic syntax still support existentials (though foralls) and GADTs (through equality constraints). I
would make sense to me to keep this support around.

I am opposed since
a) it requires the addition of extra syntax to the language, and
b) we have another, better, way to do it.

Somewhat pointed, I don't think the C++ way of putting all imaginable
ways to do the same thing into the language is a sound design
principle. If we have two ways to do the same thing, and one of them
is considered prefered, then I see no reason at all to keep the other
around. What I'm arguing here is that the GADT style syntax is truly
preferable, and thus the other should be removed.

Cheers,

/Niklas

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