I vote for option A, subscribing everyone automatically and letting them unsubscribe themselves if they really want to. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Clinton Ebadi <[email protected]>wrote: > > Greetings, > > It came to my attention, after a new hcoop member's post was held for > approval to hcoop-discuss, that we have not been adding people by > default to these lists for ... oh, the last *six years*. Which probably > explains their pitifully low participation rate, especially since it > seems nowadays folks don't like clicking around our beloved portal to > find the "Preferences" page... (hell, even I had to sit there for a > minute to remember where you set list prefs). > > I vaguely recall there may have been a reason... a few folks complaining > about list traffic? But checking the subscriber list, it looks like > almost none of our members from the last few years have bothered > subscribing to any of the optional lists! > > So, my current thinking is that we should instead subscribe everyone by > default to -discuss and -help, leaving a note in > https://wiki.hcoop.net/MemberManual/GettingStarted/AccountCreated about > *un*subscribing after signing up if the member cares, rather than > subscribing... something about the relative worth of forgiveness and > permission. > > I like it for another reason -- any new member that complains about > receiving unwanted list traffic can be easily diverted back to > AccountCreated, whereas the new member who didn't suffer reading our > lengthy introductory material and now suffers in silence cannot. Also > something or other about community building or whatever the hep cats > call it. > > Another, possibly friendlier option: we can also just *invite* new > members to join the discussion and help lists, leaving them free to take > no action and also receive no mail while still making them aware the > lists exist. The major downside I see is that the invite is not very > descriptive -- the subject is "confirm $hash" where hash is a very long > hex string, and a test send to gmail ended up in their "special offers" > folder that they are using to spam gmail users now... (on the bright > side, it looks like they don't flag our announcements and whatnot as > spam any more! Go SPF records!) so, I think there's a big chance it > would be ignored. Forced subscription also sends out a notification, so > ... > > Thoughts? I think it is a big enough change that I hope at least someone > has thoughts that disagree with mine (given that I sort-of disagree with > even myself, already)! Or agrees, whatever. Just as long as I am not > making decisions like this in an echo-chamber (I hear we're > democratically organized). > > If I see no serious opposition I am leaning toward going forward with > subscribing new members whenever we have our next member sign up, and > also sending a message to -announce reminding everyone to check their > list subscriptions because they could be missing out. > > -- > "Karen loved animals. Unfortunately the cheetahs betrayed her trust," > Libot said. > > _______________________________________________ > HCoop-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.hcoop.net/listinfo/hcoop-discuss >
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