Hi again, Lenore.

After re-reading my comments from yesterday, it occurs to me that I may have presumed too much. Specifically, in my "conclusion" (see below) I had asked whether people thought it might "be better to endorse the proposal as is, with the understanding that LC/PCC would likely not exercise the new options."

Is this, in fact, a correct understanding?  After all, LC's the one making the proposal, so it's possible that LC in particular might be interested in exercising the proposed options.

On the other hand, 5JSC/LC/8 may simply be part of the broader effort to make RDA more international, and doesn't reflect any anticipated changes at LC.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

Daniel

Dear Lenore,

Thank you for this very helpful feedback. You've raised several points that need to considered carefully before I report back to CCDA.

1. RDA rules and options are one thing; LC/PCC implementation is another. Once the options are in place, LC/PCC may end up continuing to do what it's been doing all along. QUESTION: Will it in fact be helping some libraries to have the alternatives available (validated? enshrined?) in the rules, i.e., even if the Anglo-American mainstream chooses to ignore them (i.e., the alternatives)?  One benefit, I suppose, would be that those exceptional libraries would now be able to identify themselves as RDA-compliant. Are there others? I realize that a benefit for RDA is that it gets to market itself as more authentically international.

2. The VIAF may be able to help with collocation and navigation issues. A few other respondents had suggested the same thing. Something I failed to address in the report draft is whether 5JSC/LC/8 envisions multiple established headings for the same entity within the same authority file, or rather individual libraries having the option to assign variant (4xx) forms to bibliographic records, or invoke established headings from non-U.S. authority files. The latter possibility suggests use of the VIAF. Here's a suggestion I almost added to the earlier draft, but removed it after thinking it might be too much of a stretch:

Perhaps variant Bible headings and even entire hierarchies could be managed through MARC authority “context markers” and the Virtual International Authority File ( VIAF), i.e., similar to what  has been recommended in Model C of MARBI discussion paper 2001-05 (2001-DP05 ).
 
While the focus of 2001-DP05 is on non-Roman script parallel headings, the idea behind Model C is generalizable to include multiple cultural aspects. The authors of the DP suggest three such aspects (though leave open the possibility of more), namely: (1) the body of rules under which heading was formulated, (2) the language of catalog in which heading will be used; and (3) the audience for whom the heading is intended.
 
A research-level cataloging agency in the U.S. could formulate a 1XX heading in the context of RDA cataloging rules, and specify an English-language, academic audience. Cross-references could be provided from variant forms, irrespective of script, that were established according the same rules (in which case they would be tagged 4XX) or within other contexts (in which case, 7XX, and linked to parallel authority records through the VIAF).
 
Here’s an example of how the technique might be applied to sacred scriptures:
 
008/10 (Cataloging rules code): a (AACR2)
008/11 (Subject system/thesaurus): a (LCSH)
040 $b (Language of cataloging): eng (English)
130  0 $a Bible. Old Testament
430  0 $a Bible. O.T.
430  0 $a Hebrew Bible
730  4 $a Tanakh $7 local/judaic/eng $0 abc1234
730  4 $a [] $7 JNUL/academic/heb $0 xyx789
 
In this example, the 130 field is the preferred form, the 430s are non-preferred references, and the 730s are alternate preferred forms, linked to another authority file through a control number in subfield $0. A 730 could then be flipped to a 130 if the context indicated in subfield $7 were culturally appropriate to the host catalog.


3. Thank you, Lenore, for correcting me about the extent to which Biblical works are currently arranged hierarchically (i.e., in most cases not beyond "Bible.  O.T."). This is a very important point. I apologize for muddying the waters.

SO, IN CONCLUSION, dear colleagues, please reconsider the proposal, as Lenore suggests. Let me know whether you think, based on Lenore's corrections and clarifications, whether it would in fact be better to endorse the proposal as is, with the understanding that LC/PCC would likely not exercise the new options, or whether you feel the proposal ought to be rejected. You are also welcome to endorse one of the other proposed solutions (see http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/BibleOTtable7.pdf). I will revise my report accordingly. The actual feedback to CCDA, incidentally, will be in the form of rule-by-rule or section-by-section comments, but it seems wise to keep something in a report-like format for future AJL reference.

Also: Please keep in mind that a proposal regarding Internationalization ( http://www.collectionscanada.ca/jsc/docs/5lc5.pdf) is also on the table. If you have comments about that one (or, for that matter, anything else about RDA currently under review), please let me know and I'll try to get them into the "Confluence" comments wiki for you.

I'm trying to keep track of our committee efforts at http://www.library.yale.edu/~dlovins/ajl/index.html

Thanks.

Daniel



At 06:08 PM 8/22/2006, Lenore Bell wrote:
Dear Daniel,

Many thanks for considering RDA proposal 5JSC/LC/8, and for urging Cataloging Committee members to do the same.

As I mentioned at the convention, LC Hebraica Team members in general preferred other approaches (see http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/BibleOTtable7.pdf), but accepted this compromise solution to ensure that some type of proposal might be put forward to raise awareness and initiate a dialogue about concerns.

I would like to note the following for the group's consideration regarding your draft response:

*       Keep in mind that these are recommendations for RDA, and do not address if and how LC and/or the PCC might apply the alternative. I agree, however, that the question of how the use of sanctioned but alternative forms of headings would impact collocation does require some further consideration from a practical standpoint.  In thinking about this issue, I envision the Virtual International Authority File, which Barbara Tillett described at the convention, as a model, and hope that a similar type of approach could enable linkages between variant forms of headings which could be alternatively selected for display in a given catalog or by an individual catalog user.

*       Regarding the points raised about hierarchy, the authorized forms of Bible headings currently do not reflect the hierarchy demonstrated in the tree diagram, for example, the authorized heading is "Bible. O.T. Exodus" not "Bible. O.T. Pentateuch. Exodus."  LC's database, for example, does not index "Bible. O.T. Pentateuch" followed by the individual five books. Everything after "Bible. O.T." is strictly alphabetical. The conceptual hierarchy "Bible. O.T. Pentateuch. Exodus" doesn't even appear in the authority structure as a 430, but perhaps it should. Again, there needs to be some follow up consideration of how headings might be referenced to allow the full range of relationships to be reflected in the catalog to assist with indexing and discovery. 
*       The proposal does address the issue of canonical differences with regard to entering individual books directly under "Bible."
*       The proposal is not encouraging contradictory headings to coexist in individual catalogs (although such a scenario is one of the models LC considered but did not advance). "Tanakh. Ezekial" could be assigned to all works on/about the book of Ezekial represented in a catalog, and bibliographic file maintenance, supported by a good global update capability, could preclude split files.    

I urge the Cataloging Committee members to consider the draft proposal further, and in addition, to take a look at the other alternatives which LC considered (see the document cited above, as well as the analysis at  http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/bibleprocon.pdf Perhaps the group could endorse one of the "rejected" models or could recommend yet anthoer approach not previously considered.

Thanks again,
Lenore    


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Dear colleagues,

I have received comments from three of you, and so far (with myself making
4) there seems to be a consensus that the adoption of proposal 5JSC/LC/8
would not in fact serve the interests of AJL libraries. Of course, four
opinions is not a statistically valid sample of our group, and I recognize
that some of your are on vacation (or just became parents!) and therefore
might not be able to respond. But the deadline is Aug. 27th, and I need to
be able to give some kind of feedback to CCDA before then.

Please take a look at the attached report and let me know what you think.
It really only covers the first point of the proposal, since the other two
were relatively minor (e.g., substituting abbreviated forms with
spelled-out forms).

I would like to get an up or down vote from each committee member so I can
speak on behalf the full committee. If there turns out not to be a
consensus--or even majority opinion--I can indicate this in the report too.
I also very much value input from those not on the committee.

Thanks for your interest.

Daniel

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Hebraica Team Leader
Catalog Department
Sterling Memorial Library
Yale University
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