According to an email correspondence with the Academy of the Hebrew Language:
“The word דייט is vocalized with צירי under the דל"ת and (silent) שווא under
the יו"ד, thus: דֵּיְט.”
And a follow up email
“the שווא under the יו"ד, though silent, is there to indicate that the יו"ד
*is* pronounced -- i.e., to indicate the diphthong "ey" ("deyt"). "Native"
Hebrew words, by comparison, never have a שווא under a יו"ד that follows צירי
(compare -בֵּית = "bet").”
Haim
From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+hgot=loc....@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf
Of Janet Shamir
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:06 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question
Rav-Milim and Morfix normalize it to דֵּיְט, with a Sheva under the Yod which
indicates that it's consonantal. This is in accordance with the transliteration
rules of the Academy of the Hebrew Language for foreign names (which do not
necessarily apply for loan words, but are often used for them). In the case of
a word without nikkud, those rules require a double Yod to indicate the
original pronunciation.
A double-Yod is common in loan words, such as טייפor דייט, as a
transliteration of the diphthong EY.
They are pronounced with a double Sheva at the end, both silent, as two
consequent Shevaim at the end of a word are always quiescent.
In my opinion, Yiddish Romanization should only be used for Yiddish words,
since "a distinctively Yiddish name in a Hebrew context may be romanized as
Yiddish" (hence, a name/word which is not distinctively Yiddish may not be
Romanized as such).
If the Romanization attempts to represent the sound of the Hebrew words as they
are pronounced by modern Israeli speakers, then loan words which contain a
double Yod should be Romanized according to this pronunciation.
According to the ALA/LC Romanization rules, the Yod in Hebrew is Romanized as
"y" only when it is followed by a vowel. However, the form daiṭ would be
vocalized as (IPA) /daɪt/ instead of /deɪt/.
Thus, I would Romanize טייפ and דייט as ṭeip and deiṭ, and words with the
diphthong AY, such as בייט (byte) or טיים (time), as baiṭ and ṭaim, as the
diphthong is Romanization in ALA-LC Romanization rules.
Sometimes, יי is used in loan words as part of the Hebrew transliteration of
"-tion", in which case they are pronounced (and in my opinion, should be
Romanized as) "shen": פרוטקשיין, קונקשיין, קולקשיין (protection, connection
and collection).
As for using Rav-Milim, I think it is a reliable source for the vocalization of
contemporary Hebrew and loan words. Its editors can be contacted online with
questions/corrections.
Their policy is described here:
http://www.ravmilim.co.il/adv/general/index.htm#m
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Janet Shamir
Hebrew Cataloging Department
National Library of Israel
From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org...@lists.osu.edu]
On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:37 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question
mea culpa:
in Rav-Milim and Morfix דייט has been normalized to דיט, so it should be
romanized as "deṭ'
I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for
romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered the
Hebrew language since E-S' last edition of 2007 and do not appear there or in
Alcalay.
i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.
Heidi G. Lerner
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
Metadata Dept.
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford, CA 94305-6004
ph: 650-725-9953
fax: 650-725-1120
e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>
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From: Heb-naco
<heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> on
behalf of Yossi Galron <jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:31 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question
Our rule is that it should be Dait (two Yods are "ai")
Yossi
Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Gottschalk, Haim
<h...@loc.gov<mailto:h...@loc.gov>> wrote:
Dear colleagues:
How would you vocalize דייט? I could not the word in the dictionaries, nor find
it vocalized in worldcat, nor on the internet. The word is pronounced as “date”
as going out on a date. I have Romanized it as “deyit”.
Thanks in advance.
Haim
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