Peter Dyballa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am 16.08.2005 um 11:22 schrieb Martin Monsorno: > >> ,---- >> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/work/workspace.c/gmx $ file bla* >> | bla.eclipse: UTF-8 Unicode text >> | bla.emacs: ISO-8859 text >> `---- >> >> Opening "bla.eclipse" with emacs, shows me the string >> "�berfall". Changing the file encoding with "C-x <RET> f >> iso-latin-1-unix" and saving leads to: > > The correct way would have been, once you've opened the file > bla.eclipse and Emacs came up showing `-0:´ as start of the mode-line > (stating ISO Latin-1 or ISO Latin-15 encoding), C-x <RET> r utf-8-unix > <RET>: re-open the file in UTF-8 encoding, to view it in its natural > mood.
Hmm, I cannot make something showing off in the modeline, regardless of how I open one of the files (I tried to open bla.eclipse with both iso-8859-1 and utf-8 specified). (describe-variable 'buffer-file-coding-system) says: buffer-file-coding-system's value is raw-text-unix Local in buffer bla.eclipse; global value is mule-utf-8 AND this output is the same with file "bla.emacs", which is a 8859-latin1 file. :-? > When you now save the file in ISO Latin-1 encoding, having applied C-x > <RET> f (set-buffer-file-coding-system), GNU Emacs does the conversion. > Instead of C3 BC it writes only FC. The file size will be reduced by > one byte. To make it just more exciting, I tried something more: 1) Created a file called "bla.created-by-emacs" containing the string "überfall" with emacs. 2) Copied this file to "bla.changed-by-eclipse". 3) Opened this file with eclipse. 4) Saved this file with eclipse. 5) Created a new file with eclipse "bla.created-by-eclipse" containing the same string. 6) ls -l bla* -rw-r--r-- 1 monsorno users 11 17. Aug 11:00 bla.changed-by-eclipse -rw-r--r-- 1 monsorno users 10 17. Aug 10:35 bla.created-by-eclipse -rw-r--r-- 1 monsorno users 9 17. Aug 10:58 bla.created-by-emacs 7) file bla* bla.changed-by-eclipse: UTF-8 Unicode text bla.created-by-eclipse: UTF-8 Unicode text bla.created-by-emacs: ISO-8859 text 8) Visiting bla.changed-by-eclipse with emacs shows "�berfall" 9) Visiting bla.chreated-by-eclipse with emacs shows "überfall" So we now have 3 files containing the "same" string, 2 of them claim to be utf-8, but they use a different encoding (2 or 3 bytes). For all 3 files, when opening the in emacs, buffer-file-coding-system's value is raw-text-unix. Emacs can only display "bla.created-by-emacs" correctly, eclipse can only display "bla.created-by-eclipse" correctly. > The C-x RET commands *do not* change a buffer's (or a file's) contents, > they just put some new skin on the buffer so that your view on the > buffer's (i.e. file's) contents is adapted in a certain way: you can > see a buffer's (or file's) whatever contents in green, blue, red, > yellow, cyan ... utf-8, Mac-Roman, NeXT, koi-r8, euc-jp-unix ... > encoding/view. I think I understood this. But this means that I can change the file-encoding of a file with emacs, doesn't it? > Eclipse might be fooling you. The character `ü´ is encoded in UTF-8 as > C3 BC or, translating the two hex codes into ISO Latin-1 (or -15) > characters, as: à ³. What you cite in your eMail, � or in HTML > �, is *not* UTF-8. Yes, or at least, it does not look like an 'ü' ;-) What I cite in my mails are the strings as emacs shows them to me when loading one of the files. So the question is, /why/ are they not UTF-8? Does eclipse do a wrong latin-1 to utf-8 conversion? -- Martin _______________________________________________ Help-gnu-emacs mailing list Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs