Nice change to the docs! Thanks! Much clearer now. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jim Gilliam <j...@gilliam.com> wrote: > It never occurred to me that the unlimited bundles were a backup strategy. > It's probably because the resources form says "nightly backup soon" - which > indicates that bundles aren't backup, and that backup isn't available yet. > > People tend to keep a rolling 7 days of db backup, at least I do. Having > that as like a $5/mo option, separate from single bundle or unlimited > bundles, would probably be used a lot. If the heroku costs are pretty much > just S3, having it super cheap (or even free) if you supply your own S3, > would be awesome. > > Jim > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Oren Teich <o...@heroku.com> wrote: >> >> Coincidentally, we've been working on documenting our security >> policies (both how we treat your data as well as how we protect it). >> This Danger/MS kerfufle shows me I can't get it out soon enough. >> >> In brief, there's two different aspects to this. >> >> 1) protection we provide. We provide disaster recovery of all data. >> All database data is stored in a Raid 10 configuration. This provides >> us a huge amount of resiliancy in case of individual hardware failure >> on Amazon's side. In addition, all data in the database is backed up >> once every 24 hours to Amazon S3. These backups are stored in >> different availability zones to ensure no SPOF (single point of >> failure). The backups are provided for disaster recovery only at this >> time - they are not there to help individual application developers >> recover. This is mostly due to process, not capability. We're >> backing up the data in aggregate, so it's a few minutes of work to >> restore an entire DB, but a few hours of work to restore an individual >> app. >> >> 2) Protection we enable. Bundles are the best way for an individual >> app owner to backup their entire app - git, database, etc. These >> enable you to either store the data on our S3 account (with unlimited >> bundles), or download them to your local machine. One common pattern >> is to have cron on your mac automatically capture them for you and >> download the next day. We've had surprisingly little adoption of the >> unlimited_bundles add-on, and also not too much feedback on how we can >> specifically improve the experiece. One obvious way would be to auto- >> capture at a regular time, perhaps as part of the cron addon. >> >> Oren >> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:11 AM, Chap wrote: >> >> > >> > I'm sure we've all heard the news of Danger/MS loosing all their >> > sidekicker's data. >> > >> > Which gets me thinking, what are you guys doing for backup? The >> > bundles seem cool, but it would be nice if there was some automated >> > way of creating them and downloading them on a regular basis. Not that >> > I don't trust the cloud... >> > >> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > >
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