Mentee,

 

The lantern looks very nice. And the fact that you can use multiple kinds of 
fuel is  great. That lantern would be a nice device for  adding both light and  
heat to a hexayurt. So I may just order one of those lanterns. But I guess it 
is safe to say that most folks will not have such a lantern when the last 
balloon goes up.
 
Consequently, I got thinking about field expedient ways to heat the hexayurt. 
If the hexayurt is set up in an urban or suburban area, you have a markedly 
different situation than you do when you are in the woods. As I see it, the 
hexayurt will most frequently be used in urban and suburban areas. So starting 
fires in order to heat stones to be put into  the hexayurt  for radiant heat 
may not be a realistic option.  
 
We should remember that isopropyl rubbing alcohol does not produce carbon 
monoxide, so you can safely burn alcohol in an indoor situation.  
 
One   easy way to add heat to a hexayurt,  at least on a short term basis, is 
to construct a coffee can heater. It’s simple enough. Just take a coffee  can 
and fill it about half way  full with dry sand and then add alcohol. Now light 
the device.   A bit of manipulation will allow you to both heat and cook with 
the apparatus.
 
If you don’t want to use sand, you can use toilet paper in a can. 
 
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/ggw/pdf/winter_survival_1.pdf
 
No……………..I haven’t come up with a panacea, but it’s one more idea to add to 
your mental tool chest.
 
Royce
 
 
 

 


From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [hexayurt] Re: Heating a hexayurt
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:59:05 -0700









Did you see the post I made today “[hexayurt] Heat, cook and read w/ any fuel”
 
Your light can also be your heat and cooking source, I’m saving up for one now
 




From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Richard Ginn
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [hexayurt] Re: Heating a hexayurt
 

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM, lance95 <[email protected]> wrote:

This is my first day on this discussion board. And I want to thank
everyone for the work that they have done. I am impressed.

 I’m very interested in empowering myself and others to survive in a
battered economy. I have, for the last couple of years, studied a wide
range of options for those with only minimal resources.

I am very involved with alternative medical treatments, especially
those associated with Qi Gong.  I believe medical issues to be very
important area since our quality of life depends largely on the state
of our health.

My research suggests to me that one might be well advised to remember
that threats to one’s plans to survive a calamity can arise from many
sources, which include the federal, state and local governments.
Consider the harassment that can come for simple vagrancy.

In regard to semi permanent shelters, I’m greatly interested in both
the traditional yurt designs and the hexayurt. Has anyone extensively
tested the hexayurt in cold climates where there is the possibility of
heavy snowfalls?

And what about heating the hexayurt? Wood gasification stoves—forced
air stoves—are fine for cooking out in the open, but the don’t meet
the needs of someone cooking in a hexayurt that lacks some kind of a
chimney.

I realize that there are archives. And I will try to access them.
Possibly concerns such as mine have already been fully addressed.

Thanks again.

Royce


One idea is that a certain level of insulation will allow body heat alone to 
warm the hexayurt enough to make it comfortable, or at least survivable, 
without any stove or other heat source.  I made some quick calculations and 
found that a double-thick wall (2" or even 4") would be enough to do this.

Here's the spreadsheet I used to play with these values, it's public and you 
can edit this version collectively online (I don't know what happens if 
everyone does this but we will find out?):

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rmQX7jB6fyQyIiupDv_JW-A

Play with that, see what happens :)

And the non-editable source version is here, which you can view, and export for 
your own use offline:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=peGYuk9F27fr7LwntwVZEDA

Basically, if the walls are insulated enough and you control air exchange 
enough, and you have enough people in the shelter, then it is warm enough with 
only body heat.  Thinking about "Day Zero" or "Day 1" scenarios, people need to 
survive the first night as easily as possible.  Also, a 'body heat only' 
shelter eliminates the danger that a stove creates (fireball).

Richard Ginn





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