I don't. It's burned (so to speak) into my memory, but I don't have anything I can share.
Steve On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Adam Gensler <downwith...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Do you guys have pics? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Steve Upstill <upst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sounds like I need to use roughly twice as much. Are you in the Bay Area, >> Jeremy? Maybe next year I'll trade some beer for some supervision. :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Steve >> >> On Sep 7, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jeremy Shaw <jer...@n-heptane.com> wrote: >> >>> The cans I were using were 1 qt / 32 oz. So around 48 oz total. Though I >>> did use it everywhere, including the hinges that were 1/2 velcro. >>> >>> - jeremy >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Steve Upstill <upst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Jeremy, >>> >>> There's a lot of good data in here. What size cans did you use 1.5 of for >>> each yurt? I used almost two pint cans for two yurts, which leads me to >>> believe that I could have used more. I might have done less hinging than >>> you, though: I did three 4' hinges for the walls and four 9' hinges for the >>> roof (I just left my interior hinges in the old bi-fi, which is holding up >>> well. >>> >>> Just as a philosophical point, does anybody know if it's possible to use >>> too much CC (as long as you let it dry out)? >>> >>> Matching plastics to glue, per Ken: I used 12-gauge clear vinyl >>> (http://www.onlinefabricstore.net/vinyl-fabric/clear-vinyl-fabric/12-gauge-clear-vinyl-fabric-.htm?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=amazonproductads) >>> and "original formula" Ace Hardware contact cement. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Steve >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Jeremy Shaw <jer...@n-heptane.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting. I did not have any hinge failure. However, closer inspection >>>> shows that the CC seems to be a bit tacky in places that were not before >>>> arrival. I am curious about this line: >>>> >>>> "with a tacky substance on both surfaces that made me wonder how it could >>>> have healed at all" >>>> >>>> That makes it sound like you attached the two sides while they were still >>>> too wet. You know that you are supposed to wait 15-30 minutes for each >>>> side to be dry to the touch and then you join them? >>>> >>>> I did not put foil tape over the vinyl.. but only because I ran out of >>>> time :) I probably will add that before the next use. >>>> >>>> For the record, I used 1.5 cans of CC for a 6' stretch hexayurt. I went >>>> pretty heavy. And I used 6" wide strips of vinyl. >>>> >>>> I beveled my edges and there was quite a bit of tension on the vinyl while >>>> it was set up. For each hinge I only had vinyl on one side (unlike the >>>> camp danger bifi hinges). >>>> >>>> Working with the CC was definitely a pain -- so I would love to find a >>>> better fixative. Whatever stuff they used on the back of the velcro seemed >>>> to hold up stellar. The CC required a respirator, an outdoor work space >>>> away from ignition sources, and made the vinyl warp all funny before it >>>> was applied. Plus you had to wait a long time for all the curing -- which >>>> is a problem if you were trying to do all the cementing on a small 4x8 >>>> deck like I was. >>>> >>>> - jeremy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Steve Upstill <upst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> All I can say is that my experience of the vinyl-contact cement was very >>>> different. I did all the work up front in the expectation of having a >>>> years-long solution, only to have my hinges fail: the vinyl simply pulled >>>> loose in the heat of the Playa (some places the vinyl just casually lifted >>>> as if there was no adhesive there in at all), with a tacky substance on >>>> both surfaces that made me wonder how it could have healed at all. Out >>>> there, I patched like mad with bifi, and now I'm looking at doing the >>>> whole laborious job over again next year. Crap. >>>> >>>> So what went wrong? I have three theories: >>>> >>>> 1) assembly problems, i.e., I put the CC on too thickly, or not thickly >>>> enough, or I didn't wait long enough for it to dry, or too long >>>> 2) the heat was just too much for it >>>> 3) because I laid the vinyl on when the panels were lying on the ground >>>> and abutting, actually folding them over the rest of the way put too much >>>> tension on the hinge. I did it fairly tight because I wanted some tension >>>> in the structure. >>>> >>>> If anybody has any information that would help me figure out which theory >>>> is correct, I'd be enormously grateful. Could others chime in with their >>>> experience? If I'm the only one with failed hinges, that pretty much >>>> disposes of theory #2. Also, did people tape over the vinyl with aluminum >>>> tape? I'm thinking that under theory #2, the shiny stuff would go a long >>>> way to keeping the heat down. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Steve Upstill >>>> >>>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Shaw <jer...@n-heptane.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I built two 6' folding stretch hexayurts this year. One was a traditional >>>>> design with camp danger bifi hinges. The other used contact cement, >>>>> vinyl, and velcro. >>>>> >>>>> The contact cement+vinyl+velcro solution definitely required more work up >>>>> front. But the pay off on the playa was huge! It went up and down so much >>>>> faster. And, it is already ready to go back up again. There is no per-use >>>>> consumeables and nothing that has to be cleaned off before the next use. >>>>> >>>>> I have a bunch of video and other details on the build process that I >>>>> hope to upload 'some day' but the short version is, DO IT! >>>>> >>>>> - jeremy >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "hexayurt" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to hexayurt+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to hexayurt@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "hexayurt" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to hexayurt+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to hexayurt@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "hexayurt" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to hexayurt+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to hexayurt@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "hexayurt" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to hexayurt+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to hexayurt@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "hexayurt" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to hexayurt+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to hexayurt@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "hexayurt" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to hexayurt+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to hexayurt@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hexayurt" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to hexayurt+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to hexayurt@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hexayurt" group. 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