Kemlo,
You may not know who the pimp is, but you know who got screwed.
Victor
Victor Tobias
Clinical Applications Analyst
University of Washington Medical Center
Dept of Pathology Room BB220
1959 NE Pacific
Seattle, WA 98195
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206-598-2792
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Kemlo Rogerson wrote:
"The histology world doesn't look for well qualified workers they look
for cheap labor (SIC). I have heard more than one pathologist state
that "a monkey can do our job." "
See my other post. The retort ought to be that a Histology BMS/
Histotech can do yours!! A honest Pathologist once told me that a good
Histotech could report 80% of what he did, you needed some medical
knowledge to maybe report the next 15% or so, Pathologists with a
speciality probably reported the next 2% or 3% and it took an expert to
deal with the top few percent. He taught me Pathology of the skin and I
was good at it; I naturally then became a Cytologist as there's no way,
without a MRCPath, that I could ever report skin biopsies.
A Gynaecologist friend of mine once told that the Pathologist/ Histotech
(BMS) relationship was perceived by many of his colleagues to be the
last bastion of prostitution. I never figured out who was the pimp!!
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael
Bradley
Sent: 14 July 2009 21:50
To: Weems, Joyce
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Histonet] What percent of HTL's do not have a BS degree?
HI all
I am a rarity. I am an HTL with a Bachelors Degree. I got my HTL in
the early 90s and I guess I was misguided because I thought it would
open more doors for me than just an HT. I was sadly mistaken. After I
passed my test I waited 9 months for a raise and promotion (which was
just a greater title) and when I got my raise so did 2 other employees
that didn't even have or try for their certification. I spent many
nights and weekends studying and doing my stains for the test. I am
proud of my accomplishments. It is a shame that our industry does not
reconize the difference between HT and HTL. A few years back I was
working as a traveling histotech and when I tried to get a permanent
position no one wanted to hire me because I was over qualified by having
over 15 years experience and a HTL certification.
I worked hard to no avail. The histology world doesn't look for well
qualified workers they look for cheap labor. I have heard more than one
pathologist state that "a monkey can do our job." I have also worked in
a lab where they would hire someone with a GED to cut slides. A career
in histology is for the most part a dead end and there is no future. As
long as our industry doesn't respect education and experience there will
be less and less histotechs and the quality of the slides will suffer
which in turn will bring down patient care.
Just my 2 cents.
MB proud HTL
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Weems, Joyce <[email protected]> wrote:
Honey... You are a mere child! There are some of us that have been in
the business for 40+ years. I missed the grandfather approach by 7 mo
- time that I didn't work moving from place to place with my military
ex-husband.
But I did finally get the degree and do the exam. But we're still
around. And I'll probably be working till I'm 100!!! J:>)
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Thomas Jasper
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 15:16
To: Feher, Stephen
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Histonet] What percent of HTL's do not have a BS degree?
Hi Steve,
I've got no statistics to offer you...just an observation. I would
say that finding an HTL, without a Bachelor's degree is akin to the
proverbial needle in a haystack. Anyone that obtained their HTL,
if/when they could be grandfathered in, is likely to be retired or
close to it. First of all, most folks that went the OJT route for
certification were eligible to sit for the HT only (to my knowledge).
I've never met anyone with an HTL that did not have a Bachelor's as a
pre-requisite. I've been doing histology for ~25 years. I've met
people from all over the country and various parts of the world.
Truth is there isn't an abundance of HTLs out there. Unlike the
Medical Lab world, with the basic differences between MTs and MLTs,
anatomic path does not exactly mirror that with the HTL and HT. It's
true the MT and HTL both require a Bachelor's, but responsibilities in
most labs, etc., generally do not hinge on someone being an HT vs. an
HTL.
A person like myself is probably more common (Bachelor's and an HT).
Unless you know of someone in particular; that you want to hire, with
an HTL without a Bachelor's, I wouldn't waste time trying to justify
it. I guess the bottom line is if you want an HTL, that person will
almost assuredly have a Bachelor's. If you want to hire someone
without a Bachelor's that is certified (HT) you'll have better luck.
I think having an HTL is a great thing. I honestly have never pursued
it (though eligible) as the circumstances of my career would not have
rewarded me for doing so. As a matter of fact some employers may look
at it as an over-qualification, or at least no justification for
better pay, perks or responsibility. Again, no slam to HTLs just the
way things are, at least in my experience.
If you want to hire people without a Bachelor's I would definitely
pursue HTs. HTs have been doing a great deal of very good work for
years in this field. And it sounds like you're viewing the Bachelor's
thing as limiting factor more than the HTL itself.
Good luck,
Tom Jasper
Thomas Jasper HT (ASCP) BAS
Histology Supervisor
Central Oregon Regional Pathology Services Bend, Oregon 97701
541/693-2677
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Feher,
Stephen
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Histonet] What percent of HTL's do not have a BS degree?
I'm trying to find some solid statistics to justify being able to hire
HTL (ASCP) candidates who do not have a Bachelor's degree. I am
contending that requiring the candidate to have a Bachelor's degree
will eliminate a substantial number of very qualified people. Does
anyone have any solid references to support my position.
Thanks,
Steve
Stephen A. Feher, MS, SCT (ASCP)
Pathology Supervisor
Catholic Medical Center
100 McGregor Street
Manchester, NH 03102
603-663-6707
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