Peggy Thanks so much for posting this !! I see those job descriptions you speak of all the time. They actually contradict themselves within the description or job posting itself. Such as ask for HT/HTL certification OR 1 year acceptable experience, and then have education requirements of HSD or GED. There are a few people I guess that could be grandfathered, but wat is the certification and education they want/require? Many people I have encountered working in the lab truly don't know the certification eligibility requirements now and think that OJT is still open- even as you pointed out the 7 year time elapse. I stopped trying to correct people's misconception on this and just direct people to the BOC/BOR website for the routes. I have no idea if they ever actually do it, but I do my best to get people to the correct information. I agree supervisors or managers should be more informed on this and check before they advise people, but just my opinion. I do think it is misleading to hire people and allow them to think that this alone can lead to their certification at this point if they don't also pursue the education. I have seen MANY people who fell into this situation and then were unable to change jobs if they needed or wanted to. I think only people who have ever been involved with teaching seem to know about NAACLS.
Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC > From: lpw...@sbcglobal.net > To: joellewea...@hotmail.com; tpodawi...@lrgh.org > CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: Re: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification) > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 05:43:32 -0400 > > I'd like to wade into this discuss with a couple of comments: > > LABS WANTING ONLY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES AND/OR NON-CERTIFIED "HISTOTECHS": > Yes, I'm still hearing about places like this. When I talk with the > supervisors, it's because the lab wants the person doing the "histotech" > job, but they only want to pay them at "lab assistant" wages. Plus, once > they get the people trained as "histotechs", the employees can't go > elsewhere, because the other labs only want certified histotech, and these > people can't get certified as they don't have the associate degree and > minimum 12 hours of biology and chemistry combined as required to take the > ASCP HT exam. So these people end up having to stay there. (Personally, I > think is very unfair to the employees they hire.) > > LABS NOT KNOWING ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HT REQUIREMENTS: > Even though the High School route was dropped as of Jan 1, 2005 (over 7 > years ago), I still get emails from labs that want to hire one of my > students, but their job description says high school diploma. I usually call > these places up, and the histology supervisor had no idea the ASCP HT high > school route was dropped. "Someone" should have told them. Even though it > was in every "NSH in Action" for the 5 years previous (that's now over 12 > years ago), in some ASCP publications each year for the 5 years previous, > and on both the NSH and ASCP webpage for the 5 years previous, well, since > they aren't NSH or ASCP members, well, "someone" still should have contacted > them directly and let them know. Sigh. > > I've had employees call that they were hired after the 2005 deadline, with > the job description of high school graduate requirement, and were told they > had 2 years to get the experience required, and then they had 1 additional > year in which to take and pass the HT exam. And when they went to sign up to > take the HT exam, they discovered that the HT exam requirements had dropped > the high school route and now the on-the-job (OJT) requires the associate > degree/60 credit hours with 12 credits of bio/chem, which of course they > don't have. They tell me that their histology supervisor says they are going > to fire them, because they can't take the ASCP HT Exam. I end up talking > with the supervisor, and advise them to talk with their HR and Legal > departments, as they are the ones who advertised the high school > requirement, and they are the ones who hired this person without the needed > education. And I suggest they help with person complete an on-line NAACLS HT > program, several of which will take someone with the high school diploma, as > long as they had a biology, a chemistry, and a math class in high school. > > NAACLS STUDENTS TAKING THE HT (OR HTL) ASCP EXAM: > NAACLS is the accrediting agency for HT and HTL programs. (Think CAP, but > for most lab training programs.) NAACLS has a long list of standards for > programs to follow. (Think CAP checklist.) > > Standard 14 G has a statement "The granting of the degree or certificate > must not be contingent upon the student's passing any type of external > certification or licensure examination." > > (Explanation: Not all HT programs end in an associate degree. The > certificate refers to a certificate of completion of a program. My program, > for example, is hospital-based. Some students already have their degree > before they start my program. Some have all the college credits except for > the ones they are earning while completing the internship, then they earn > their degree from the college when they complete the internship and get the > grade for those last credit hours. The hospital doesn't grant the degree, > the college does. The hospital program grants a certificate of completion of > the program, which is acceptable to NAACLS, ASCP, and employers.) > > As NAACLS accredited HT or HTL programs, we can encourage our students to > take the HT/HTL exam upon completion of the program. We can do review > sessions with them. We can remind them of the deadlines to sign up. We can > help them sign up if they are having problems. We can let them know that > labs in our area expect people to be certified. We can let them know that > they can sign up while still in the program (couple of months before > graduation), and they can, before they graduate, pick a date to take the > exam after graduation. We can tell them that these dates to take the exams > can be put on their resume, on the application, and that they can inform the > supervisor during the interview that they are already signed up to take the > HT/HTL exam. > > But we can NOT "make" the student take the exam. Completion of the program > cannot be contingent upon taking or passing the HT/HTL exam (or getting > state licensure). The program could lose NAACLS accreditation if we force > the student to take the HT/HTL/state licensure exam, or withhold their > degree or certificate until they do take/pass the HT/HTL exam/become state > licensed. > > Thanks for "listening". > > Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS > Program Director, Schools of Histotechnology > William Beaumont Hospital > Royal Oak, MI 48073 > > (The opinions expressed are my own, and do not represent Beaumont Hospital.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: joelle weaver > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:41 PM > To: tpodawi...@lrgh.org > Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) > > > TomI compliment your approach, and I personally really like to see when > employers do this. I think it provides opportunity, yet incentive. Two years > seems especially reasonable. Most places that I have known who use this > method for new-grad hires, have allowed 1 year. It is even better when they > provide additional training and support to the person as they are preparing. > Having been involved in an online program and clinical curricula in the > past, I feel from my observations that continuity with work in the > environment is essential for most in connecting the theory with execution. > > > > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC > > From: tpodawi...@lrgh.org > > To: joellewea...@hotmail.com; sherrian.mc...@va.gov; > > histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > > Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:45:52 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) > > > > The last person I hired for a tech position, was just finishing her > > on-line program. I helped her complete that and then she was given two > > years to get her certification. This was all part of her hiring agreement, > > so she knew this coming in and completely understood that failing to > > achieve either one would affect her employment. > > > > > > > > Tom Podawiltz HT (ASCP) > > Histology Section Head/Laboratory Safety Officer. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > > [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of joelle > > weaver > > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:43 PM > > To: sherrian.mc...@va.gov; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > > Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) > > > > > > That seems to be the unfortunate situation at this time... > > > > > > > > > > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC > > > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:39:39 -0500 > > > From: sherrian.mc...@va.gov > > > To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > > > Subject: [Histonet] (no subject) > > > > > > I agree and would like to add. This is one scenario that I have seen > > > many times, where hospitals or wherever will hire histotechs without > > > certifications . I am thinking that saves them money and they still > > > have a "histotech". I have seen good histotechs that have no > > > certification and likewise some bad ones with certification. Lately I > > > have seen these schools turn out histotechs , it seems with little > > > encouragement to get certified. 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