OJT is only available to HTL's via the route you described. Sent from my iPhone
On May 24, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Bernice Frederick <b-freder...@northwestern.edu> wrote: > If OJT is no longer a valid route, then why can someone with a BS in biology > and a years experience in an accredited lab be allowed to take the exam? Most > of the people falling into said category learn OTJ and at that learn the > lab, not all the theory, so to me, OJT is still there since many of these > people never went to histo school. > Bernice > > Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) > Senior Research Tech > Pathology Core Facility > ECOGPCO-RL > Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center > Northwestern University > 710 N Fairbanks Court > Olson 8-421 > Chicago,IL 60611 > 312-503-3723 > b-freder...@northwestern.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of joelle weaver > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:26 AM > To: lpw...@sbcglobal.net; tpodawi...@lrgh.org > Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification) > > > Peggy Thanks so much for posting this !! I see those job descriptions you > speak of all the time. They actually contradict themselves within the > description or job posting itself. Such as ask for HT/HTL certification OR 1 > year acceptable experience, and then have education requirements of HSD or > GED. There are a few people I guess that could be grandfathered, but wat is > the certification and education they want/require? Many people I have > encountered working in the lab truly don't know the certification eligibility > requirements now and think that OJT is still open- even as you pointed out > the 7 year time elapse. I stopped trying to correct people's misconception on > this and just direct people to the BOC/BOR website for the routes. I have no > idea if they ever actually do it, but I do my best to get people to the > correct information. I agree supervisors or managers should be more informed > on this and check before they advise people, but just my opinion. I do think > it is misleading to hire people and allow them to think that this alone can > lead to their certification at this point if they don't also pursue the > education. I have seen MANY people who fell into this situation and then were > unable to change jobs if they needed or wanted to. I think only people who > have ever been involved with teaching seem to know about NAACLS. > > > > > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC >> From: lpw...@sbcglobal.net >> To: joellewea...@hotmail.com; tpodawi...@lrgh.org >> CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >> Subject: Re: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification) >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 05:43:32 -0400 >> >> I'd like to wade into this discuss with a couple of comments: >> >> LABS WANTING ONLY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES AND/OR NON-CERTIFIED "HISTOTECHS": >> Yes, I'm still hearing about places like this. When I talk with the >> supervisors, it's because the lab wants the person doing the "histotech" >> job, but they only want to pay them at "lab assistant" wages. Plus, >> once they get the people trained as "histotechs", the employees can't >> go elsewhere, because the other labs only want certified histotech, >> and these people can't get certified as they don't have the associate >> degree and minimum 12 hours of biology and chemistry combined as >> required to take the ASCP HT exam. So these people end up having to >> stay there. (Personally, I think is very unfair to the employees they >> hire.) >> >> LABS NOT KNOWING ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HT REQUIREMENTS: >> Even though the High School route was dropped as of Jan 1, 2005 (over >> 7 years ago), I still get emails from labs that want to hire one of >> my students, but their job description says high school diploma. I >> usually call these places up, and the histology supervisor had no idea >> the ASCP HT high school route was dropped. "Someone" should have told >> them. Even though it was in every "NSH in Action" for the 5 years >> previous (that's now over 12 years ago), in some ASCP publications >> each year for the 5 years previous, and on both the NSH and ASCP >> webpage for the 5 years previous, well, since they aren't NSH or ASCP >> members, well, "someone" still should have contacted them directly and let >> them know. Sigh. >> >> I've had employees call that they were hired after the 2005 deadline, >> with the job description of high school graduate requirement, and were >> told they had 2 years to get the experience required, and then they >> had 1 additional year in which to take and pass the HT exam. And when >> they went to sign up to take the HT exam, they discovered that the HT >> exam requirements had dropped the high school route and now the >> on-the-job (OJT) requires the associate >> degree/60 credit hours with 12 credits of bio/chem, which of course >> they don't have. They tell me that their histology supervisor says >> they are going to fire them, because they can't take the ASCP HT Exam. >> I end up talking with the supervisor, and advise them to talk with >> their HR and Legal departments, as they are the ones who advertised >> the high school requirement, and they are the ones who hired this >> person without the needed education. And I suggest they help with >> person complete an on-line NAACLS HT program, several of which will >> take someone with the high school diploma, as long as they had a biology, a >> chemistry, and a math class in high school. >> >> NAACLS STUDENTS TAKING THE HT (OR HTL) ASCP EXAM: >> NAACLS is the accrediting agency for HT and HTL programs. (Think CAP, >> but for most lab training programs.) NAACLS has a long list of >> standards for programs to follow. (Think CAP checklist.) >> >> Standard 14 G has a statement "The granting of the degree or >> certificate must not be contingent upon the student's passing any type >> of external certification or licensure examination." >> >> (Explanation: Not all HT programs end in an associate degree. The >> certificate refers to a certificate of completion of a program. My >> program, for example, is hospital-based. Some students already have >> their degree before they start my program. Some have all the college >> credits except for the ones they are earning while completing the >> internship, then they earn their degree from the college when they >> complete the internship and get the grade for those last credit hours. >> The hospital doesn't grant the degree, the college does. The hospital >> program grants a certificate of completion of the program, which is >> acceptable to NAACLS, ASCP, and employers.) >> >> As NAACLS accredited HT or HTL programs, we can encourage our students >> to take the HT/HTL exam upon completion of the program. We can do >> review sessions with them. We can remind them of the deadlines to sign >> up. We can help them sign up if they are having problems. We can let >> them know that labs in our area expect people to be certified. We can >> let them know that they can sign up while still in the program (couple >> of months before graduation), and they can, before they graduate, pick >> a date to take the exam after graduation. We can tell them that these >> dates to take the exams can be put on their resume, on the >> application, and that they can inform the supervisor during the >> interview that they are already signed up to take the HT/HTL exam. >> >> But we can NOT "make" the student take the exam. Completion of the >> program cannot be contingent upon taking or passing the HT/HTL exam >> (or getting state licensure). The program could lose NAACLS >> accreditation if we force the student to take the HT/HTL/state >> licensure exam, or withhold their degree or certificate until they do >> take/pass the HT/HTL exam/become state licensed. >> >> Thanks for "listening". >> >> Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS >> Program Director, Schools of Histotechnology William Beaumont Hospital >> Royal Oak, MI 48073 >> >> (The opinions expressed are my own, and do not represent Beaumont >> Hospital.) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: joelle weaver >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:41 PM >> To: tpodawi...@lrgh.org >> Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >> Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) >> >> >> TomI compliment your approach, and I personally really like to see >> when employers do this. I think it provides opportunity, yet >> incentive. Two years seems especially reasonable. Most places that I >> have known who use this method for new-grad hires, have allowed 1 >> year. It is even better when they provide additional training and support to >> the person as they are preparing. >> Having been involved in an online program and clinical curricula in >> the past, I feel from my observations that continuity with work in the >> environment is essential for most in connecting the theory with execution. >> >> >> >> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC >>> From: tpodawi...@lrgh.org >>> To: joellewea...@hotmail.com; sherrian.mc...@va.gov; >>> histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >>> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:45:52 -0400 >>> Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) >>> >>> The last person I hired for a tech position, was just finishing her >>> on-line program. I helped her complete that and then she was given >>> two years to get her certification. This was all part of her hiring >>> agreement, so she knew this coming in and completely understood that >>> failing to achieve either one would affect her employment. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom Podawiltz HT (ASCP) >>> Histology Section Head/Laboratory Safety Officer. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >>> [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of >>> joelle weaver >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:43 PM >>> To: sherrian.mc...@va.gov; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >>> Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) >>> >>> >>> That seems to be the unfortunate situation at this time... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC >>>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:39:39 -0500 >>>> From: sherrian.mc...@va.gov >>>> To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >>>> Subject: [Histonet] (no subject) >>>> >>>> I agree and would like to add. This is one scenario that I have >>>> seen many times, where hospitals or wherever will hire histotechs >>>> without certifications . I am thinking that saves them money and >>>> they still have a "histotech". I have seen good histotechs that >>>> have no certification and likewise some bad ones with certification. >>>> Lately I >>>> have seen these schools turn out histotechs , it seems with little >>>> encouragement to get certified. 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