Thanks for your point of view and insights Pam- we need to know what employers are seeking to keep marketable.
Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC > From: rel...@earthlink.net > To: lpw...@sbcglobal.net > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:09:04 -0400 > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > > My 2 cents... > So the real "shortage" in the field is ASCP HT/HTL certified techs with 2+ > years of experience who are CLIA qualified to gross. Just saying... I know > a great many uncertified experienced techs and even more entry level ASCP > certified recent graduates of histology schools who are desperately looking > for positions and willing to relocate anywhere and work any shift... > > Thanks-Pam > > Right Place, Right Time, Right Move with RELIA! > > Thank You! > Pam M. Barker > > Pam Barker > President/Senior Recruiting Specialist-Histology > RELIA Solutions > Specialists in Allied Healthcare Recruiting > 5703 Red Bug Lake Road #330 > Winter Springs, FL 32708-4969 > Phone: (407)657-2027 > Cell: (407)353-5070 > FAX: (407)678-2788 > E-mail: rel...@earthlink.net > www.facebook.com/PamBarkerRELIA > www.linkedin.com/in/reliasolutions > www.twitter.com/pamatrelia > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee & Peggy > Wenk > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:01 AM > To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'JenniferMacDonald' > Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; > histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > > Just a comment on the comment about there being "not enough" HT/HTL programs > in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare > that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have > 1/10 the number of programs as med techs. > > If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either > in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would > take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI, > Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from > 8:00 am - 11:30 am. > > Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website > http://www.histoconvention.org/ > > Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcum, Pamela A > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM > To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald' > Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ; > histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > > We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to > Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to > make the change. A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations > inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that > requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best. We have a few one > year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs > and HTLs. > > We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to > run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 > years and no longer just cut and do H&Es. I am not sure where to go as I > have been bringing this up for years and see no movement. Take the test to > be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly. It is 98% > Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology. If you don't know > Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help. > > Pam Marcum > > -----Original Message----- > From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org] > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM > To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A > Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; > histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > > And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were > looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. > > > Joyce Weems > Pathology Manager > 678-843-7376 Phone > 678-843-7831 Fax > joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org > > > > www.saintjosephsatlanta.org > 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road > Atlanta, GA 30342 > > This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's > Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It > may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the > > sender regarding the error in a separate email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer > MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM > To: Marcum, Pamela A > Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; > histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > > As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education > requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. > > > > From: "Marcum, Pamela A" <pamar...@uams.edu> > To: "'joelle weaver'" <joellewea...@hotmail.com>, "'Emily Sours'" > <talulahg...@gmail.com>, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" > <histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> > Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > Sent by: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > > > > I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as > > they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the > fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay > in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to > > what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more > years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find > anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The > Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. > > I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for > us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview. > > Pam Marcum > > From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM > To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > > Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set > standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I > > have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through > masters in addition to proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, > continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a lot > of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants > > though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for > > an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out. > > > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC > > > From: pamar...@uams.edu > > To: talulahg...@gmail.com; joellewea...@hotmail.com > > CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 +0000 > > > > Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other > hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules > > of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need > minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when > patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no > > one thinks of this often however; there are medical legal issues with > insurance we have that do not apply for research. It is also clear that > registration does not mean we don't have registered people who are not as > good as they should be for excellent patient care. > > > > I have worked in research and while I would not ever say the hiring of > non-registered people is a problem for research. It is often a specialty > area that requires knowing more than routine Histology. I have done plastics > > in research that could not ever be used in routine Histology due to the time > > factors and in some cases limited use with staining applications, especially > > IHC for some procedures. Many other areas in research require more > specialized training than would be used in a routine area. I would also add > some really great techs are in many phases of research. I know MT who work > in Histology and are not registered as the MT BS, overrides the HT > requirement for many institutions. > > > > Many factors must be considered for both research and routine > > Histology > that cover far more than just hiring registered people in certain areas of > the laboratory. > > > > Pam Marcum > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu< > mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> [ > mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]<mailto:[ > mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]> On Behalf Of Emily Sours > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:20 AM > > To: joelle weaver > > Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu< > mailto:histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> > > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > > > > Do employers consider lab techs to be proficient enough? I've been > > doing > ISH and immuno for 13 years, but I'm not certified as I do research. Maybe > there aren't a lot of lab techs out there? Just wondering since you might be > > missing someone awesome by hiring only certified people. > > > > "By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama > > of > their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new > story for their lives. Move forward." > > > > -Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted" > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM, joelle weaver > > <joellewea...@hotmail.com< > mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > All I have is a "histology assistant" description I put together. It > > > is mostly clerical, instrument up keep and other duties. My employer > > > does not hire uncertified techs- due to CLIA license, grossing, FISH > > > & molecular duties ( high complexity). I hope to be a clinical site > > > eventually, and then they will have to complete their certification > > > within one year -if they are hired on. > > > If you think that will help, I can send it on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:39:12 -0500 > > > > From: dels...@gmail.com<mailto:dels...@gmail.com> > > > > To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu< > mailto:histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> > > > > Subject: [Histonet] Unregistered HT > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if anyone can share a job description for an > > > > unregistered > > > HT > > > > position. I also need to know if unregistered HT's are allowed to > > > > cut frozen sections. I know there is a limit to what they can do, > > > > especially where IHC and special staining are concerned, but I > > > > really don't know > > > about > > > > frozens, since it's a lot like regular microtomy, except for the > > > > H&E staining of the slide. I also understand that facilities might > > > > have different descriptions, but what I'm really looking for is > > > > what CAP > > > allows > > > > them to do. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > > > > > Deloris Carter, HT(ASCP) > > > > SMMC > > > > Shawnee, KS > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Histonet mailing list > > > > Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu< > mailto:Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> > > > > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Histonet mailing list > > > Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu< > mailto:Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> > > > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Histonet mailing list > > Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu< > mailto:Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> > > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any > > attachments, > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential and privileged information. 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