Hi Cherie, Since the top section is consistently better, then the possibilities 
lie in what happens after they are on the slide. As Toni recommends slides that 
are heated or deparaffinized vertically may have left over paraffin on the 
lower regions.Maybe you could also try depar with them up on their long edges. 
Staining slides vertically might also give this appearance if reagent times and 
rinsing are too short. Staining slides flat would point to slides not level or 
reagents not evenly dispersed on the slide. I would not rule out thick-thin on 
ribbons but that is probably not the case since the good section is always at 
the top. Good luck, Tom T

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Could it be the heating/deparaffinization process? If the upper sections are 
staining more evenly, then maybe they are free from residual paraffin. Try 
extending the time in the ovens and/or xylene.

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Chapman, Cherie 
J.
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Hello all,

I am looking for suggestions on issues with our H&E stain.

I supervised a Veterinary Diagnostic lab for over 27 years and produced top 
quality sections, H&E's, special stains and IHC  on a variety of different 
species in our lab.
 I am currently working in a  Dermatopathology Lab and I am  finding 
inconsistent staining with our H&E's. Working with just skin is a challenge all 
on its own.  We have made changes to our staining protocol and just not happy 
with the end product.
What we are observing is inconsistent  staining on levels on the same slide.  
The top section seems to stain more evenly than the middle and bottom sections. 
 I can actually see three different shades of color.   The specimens are 
ribboned sections so I know it is not from thick and thin sections.   We have 
looked at our processing times, microwave vs. oven times, staining reagents, 
different brands of hematoxylin and eosin, adjustments on staining times, tap 
water compared to distilled water.

Our main processor is the Thermo Scientific STP-420 and our back up is the  
Sakura VIP V processor.    I have been working with Thermo technical support 
thinking it might be a processing issue.  We have a Leica ST5020 
Multstainer/CV5030 Robotic Cover slipper we have made several changes that the 
technical teams has suggested to the reagents and staining time.  It's still 
not the quality that we are looking for.
I have had culligan techs out several times to see if it could be something 
with  the water.

We can run 100 slides the same day, same reagents and protocol and the H&E 
color is so inconsistent.
 I would appreciate any suggestions in this matter.


Cherie Chapman, BS, HT, HTL (ASCP)
Associate Director of Dermatopathology Laboratory University of Missouri 
Department of Dermatology University Physicians Medical Building
Phone: (573) 884-0123
Fax: (573) 884-0834

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