I know it is hard Hazel. I have a hard time finding well qualified people
myself. OJT only works now if you already have a degree. If we can't raise the
pay and the recognition we will have some difficulty recruiting those people
too. I know the situation well, as I used to be the sole educator person in an
HT program. It closed due to lack of enrollment and funding. I have trained
people the best way that I knew how both formally and informally. I have driven
in my car to multiple states,written articles, gone to conferences, schools,
colleges and trade shows, and did my personal best to present topics and
"sell' our profession. Admittedly, sometimes it feels like it doesn't matter or
change anything. But we have to keep trying and pushing for our group, its best
interests, its public recognition, its compensation. There will be no budging
from anyone else I'm afraid. Change often moves like a glacier, but it does
move!
Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> From: hor...@archildrens.org
> To: joellewea...@hotmail.com; timothy.mor...@ucsf.edu;
> histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:46:40 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
>
> Joelle I agree with you. But the problem is, no one knows we exist. OJT is
> the only route for some/if not most positions to be filled. We would all
> love to have a choice of educated ASCP registered techs to choose from. I
> have an open position and no applicants.
>
> Hazel Horn, HTL/HT (ASCP)
> Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription
> Anatomic Pathology
> Arkansas Children's Hospital
> 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
> 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
> hor...@archildrens.org
> archildrens.org
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joelle Weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:35 PM
> To: Morken, Timothy; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
>
> We have discussed this on the histonet many times...
>
> Most professions, and most if not all healthcare professions, require degrees
> and/or certification for entry. This is how the public, other medical
> professions ,and even HR-who do not know the technical- assess for our
> capacity to provide care and judge the skill level needed of the profession
> as they are "looking in". We all know that this isn't always perhaps the best
> method to assess or measure some aspects of this profession, but this is what
> they work from. There are good and bad examples of both OJT and educated,
> formally trained histology professionals. However, "education" is more than
> learning facts, it helps develop many other facets of the person that are
> viewed as valuable to organizations. That is why it is used as a screening
> tool. Please try to value the broader perspective. Technical proficiency
> itself is probably not going to be enough as the future unfolds. Though it
> may seem unfair if you have worked for a very long time and learned a great
> deal through experie
nce, the bottom line is that for some employers, some environments and outside
groups- education, credentials and professionalism are the primary criteria
they use to evaluate, and they pay and recognize accordingly.
>
> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: timothy.mor...@ucsf.edu
> > To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:28:15 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
> >
> > Mike, yes, the vast majority of histotechs have been, are, and will be OJT
> > (me included). The people who take on training these people have a
> > responsibility to do the best they can. Most techs end up learning whatever
> > their lab does and so have limited knowledge. I studied a full year for the
> > HT and passed fine, and later the HTL. In our small lab at the time we had
> > a broad array of testing in histology (specials, muscle histochem,
> > immunochem, electron microscopy), but I found out my true lack of knowledge
> > when I went to Saudi Arabia and worked with techs from other countries
> > where they had comprehensive bachelors-level programs required for ALL lab
> > techs. Those from the US, all certificated, where vastly under-educated
> > compared to techs from other countries. It was a bit embarrassing!
> >
> > Luckily we have online courses and degrees available now - not available in
> > the 1980's when I started. That is a tremendous advantage to those who are
> > willing to take advantage of it. Other than that it will be up to the lab
> > management to be sure the OJT tech gets the basic instruction according to
> > the requirements of the ASCP exam. That is the bare bones knowledge
> > necessary to function. Even then the experience in the lab is key to
> > whether the knowledge is just regurgitated or practiced. Lab management has
> > a responsibility to be sure good lab practices are ingrained during
> > training. It is a big job.
> >
> > As an aside, there are some people out there trying to break into histology
> > but do not work in a histo lab, or work in a lab that does not support
> > their desire to get certificated (which is practically criminal in my
> > view). I talked to a person recently who is working in a histo lab but is
> > trying to find a lab to do special stains they do not do in the lab they
> > are working in. Their lab will not buy them the reagents necessary and
> > actually told this person that they will not help them get certificated
> > because they feel the person will move on to get better pay elsewhere.
> >
> > I agree with another thought expressed that finding a person excited about
> > getting into histology can lead to a good tech. I had a person just show up
> > cold one day saying he really wanted to work in the histo lab - he had
> > learned some histology in a research lab and did not realize it could be a
> > full time profession until he stumbled on our lab one day. He had a good
> > background but we had no histo jobs open, but we happened to have a new
> > grossing lab aid job opening and he managed to get that job. The
> > expectation is that he will eventually work his way into histology. He's
> > happy to have his foot in the door, and we are happy to have an
> > enthusiastic person with a plan for advancement.
> >
> > Tim Morken
> > Pathology Site Manager, Parnassus
> > Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies
> > Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dessoye, Michael [mailto:mjdess...@commonwealthhealth.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 4:44 AM
> > To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Subject: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
> >
> > Hello Histonet,
> >
> > I'm curious how people are dealing with on-the-job-trained histotechs.
> > Many people are seeing a shortage in techs, and in my opinion OJT will
> > become more common than it already is. Does anyone have an 'official'
> > training program? Requirements to pass the exam? Qualifications to be
> > able to be trained on-the-job? I'd like to consider having some kind of
> > plan in place when I don't have an HT/HTL applicant but have folks who, if
> > they get the experience, are otherwise qualified to sit for the exam. If
> > anyone has a similar situation or experience to share I would appreciate it!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > Michael J. Dessoye, M.S. | Histology/Toxicology/RIA Supervisor |
> > Wilkes-Barre General Hospital | An Affiliate of Commonwealth Health |
> > mjdess...@commonwealthhealth.net<mailto:mjdessoye@commonwealthhealth.n
> > et> | 575 N. River Street | Wilkes Barre, PA 18764 | Tel: 570-552-1432
> > | Fax: 570-552-1486
> >
> >
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