Susanna Ånäs wrote:
You are right in that the Wikipedia encyclopedia does not lend itself to
interpretations or original research, but relies on cited sources of
information. It is exactly that what has given it more credibility among the
scholars, the GLAMmers - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums - that we
trying to work together with in bringing more of the historical stuff into
Wikimedia's projects.
Also, your observation of deletions with inadequate source references is what
has put many unprepared scholars off. Having complemented with (quality) first
hand information without referring to sources has been the beginning and end for
contributions. I agree that there should be more space for negotiation - but I
have not been involved in discussions how to realize this.
I think things are a little better today. But historic material has been lost
which would better be maintained in parallel with what WAS allowed to remain. I
will not go into detail, but my main grip was with how 'software' was handled
and many of the deleted packages were important development tracks relating to
those that were allowed to remain. The important source references are what HAS
now been lost and we can't now track the development of what remains via
wikipedia :(
I am very interested in this space between Wikimedia and OSM with historical
geography and eventually historical storytelling. The practices have not been
invented yet - or maybe they have - but they come together from different
sources. I hope you are willing to explore!
I can see a place for 'quality' information, but I can also see a place for
displaying research for others to assist with. Personally I view the 'history'
of how material came into existence is as useful as the data itself even if the
final result is different. 'Delete' is not in my method, except for malicious
actions, and even then they should be retained IN the version history.
If you follow the main OSM list you will see my posts about 'shared material'
and OSM providing a base for cooperation rather than simply a database.
Personally I see a lot of the historic data being contained in the main database
with 'start_date', but marrying in third party data like the old OS mapping is
already available, and the next step is providing 'overlays' of data that can
use this existing and expanding background data.
Susanna
2013/7/9 Lester Caine <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Mikel Maron wrote:
Just seeing this. If you aren't interested in any aspect of projects
talked
about here, that's fine, but no reason to give this kind of stop
energy. But
many of us are interested in collaborations, and welcome the thinking
and ideas.
It's all about the Commons.
My objections are not directed to the "don't" but rather to the manor in
which contributions to wikipedia then get stripped as "not in line with our
objectives". If this attitude has changed in recent years then wikipedia
need to reduce the appearance of some of the warnings that appear on what is
essentially important content.
Contributors who put effort into content need to feel that their work is
valued, and will not simply be deleted. This does of cause need to be
tempered with the blocking of blatant vandalism but 'advertising activity'
should not be limited because someone makes a judgement call that an
articles target "does not have enough interest to be valid!" ... We would
not block the appearance of material on the mapping simply because it's "not
got enough supporting evidence", and on historic mapping this may be more
important so that alternate material may need to be supported and disputes
documented rather than simply deleted?
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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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