I would just like to reply to david M's comment about having to be on a planet site. if i recall counter-strike.net is hosted by gamespy so to say they do not host domains would be a lie. They hots thing that will get them money
wacko ----- Original Message ----- From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly > they do. > they take really lame ones that dont meet their 75% completion mark as their > hosting regulations request, and then leave ones that do have that > percentile hanging. ie: snowwar. they hosted it at like 0.1%. and back > before i killed mmxhl, when we needed a host, before it started sucking > hard, i tried to get hosting on it, we already HAD a release, were mod of > teh week once and they wouldnt host us because "you dont have 75% > completion". which was utter bull. and of course they will NOT post news for > american heros because when galadriel was working for them she badmouthed > OMA and now they totally ignore it. its just ludicrous. > > > -omega > Blackened Interactive > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel Aleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly > > > > See, I would be ok with Fileplanet letting people pay extra for "Dedicated > > Servers" if they didn't fuck their public ones. I never had a problem > before > > the que was setup, it was just alittle slow. Now its REALLY slow if you > take > > into account 15 min+ wait times. Also, if you haven't noticed, they have > ads > > which you cannot close in the wait window. $$$ > > > > Also, is it just me, or does PlanetHL screw some mods and make other ones? > > It seems they have a fetish with some mediocre mods and leave some good > ones > > out. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > if you read what i said, i did say that some do. > > > > > > -omega > > > Blackened Interactive > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Neale Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:17 AM > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the GSI staff *do* get paid, as do some of the Planet*.com > > > > webmasters. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:28 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > ive been away for most of the day so i didnt get back in on this > stuff > > > > till > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > but anyway, thats basically what im saying. the services now are > > almost > > > > > exactly the same as they were before, 9x out of 10 theres one free > > > mirror, > > > > > and 2 personal servers on stuff that used to have 3 mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > so again, i re-iterate. i will not pay to download the free things. > > also > > > > > phantom, as you said al ittle while ago. gsi staff dosent get paid. > > > > neither > > > > > does phl or any of the other planet workers. > > > > > well, jeh and LI might. cuz i know back when hl.net went down they > > > offered > > > > > shirow a buncha money to work for them, even tho he declined. > > > > > > > > > > -omega > > > > > Blackened Interactive > > > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Andrew Foss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:35 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever tired to get the Counter-Strike patch on it's > > release? > > > > The > > > > > > same time 1.1.0.8 came out? I had wait times of 850 minutes. at > 1000 > > > > > logins > > > > > > allowed per server, two servers. and two 90mb files. that's not > > > > economics. > > > > > > that's scalping. FP lowered it's max connects to make room for the > > > > > personal > > > > > > servers. all you get is a unique U/P to connect to the FP servers. > > it > > > > > costs > > > > > > them nothing but a little time to do. FP is basically a monopoly. > > > hard > > > > to > > > > > > believe, eh? they used to be good, but now they are a spammy, > slow, > > > lame > > > > > FTP > > > > > > site, with long lines. </rant> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:43 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not really ethics, it's economics (sp?), those who can > afford > > > to > > > > > buy > > > > > > the space and the speed will, those who cant wont. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:36 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both your points are right on. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, thinking more in the realistic sense - I've seen wait > times > > > of > > > > > 700 > > > > > > minutes for a download during peak times. > > > > > > > > > > > > So the ethical question again arises; sure you can wait several > > hours > > > to > > > > > > download that 2 megabyte mod, or you can dish out the $7. > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: John Newfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:31 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be selling your work ONLY if they said that the only way > to > > > get > > > > > the > > > > > > file would be to own a personal server. > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually love fileplanet.. the queue system works great. Instead > > of > > > a > > > > > lot > > > > > > of people having slow downloads, a portion of them can have really > > > fast > > > > > > downloads while the rest wait. I have never waited too long for > > > > > something... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:40 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > But, the point is, they are not selling your work, they are > selling > > a > > > > > faster > > > > > > download (either speed, or not having to queue or both) the fact > > that > > > > it's > > > > > > something you want to download is inmaterial (sp?). > > > > > > Also, in the case of FLF it's a HL mod, which, by the nature of > the > > > EULA > > > > > you > > > > > > are not allowed to charge for, now, if you tried to make FP pay u > > some > > > > > > money, you break the EULA coz you are making money from the MOD. > > > > > > FP on the other hand are not charging for the mod, they are > charging > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > service used to get the mod, yes, but not the mod it's self. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an intresting area, because this is the first time > something > > > > like > > > > > > this has happened as far as I know (a company opionaly charging > for > > > the > > > > > > method of getting the files and not the files its self), and as > you > > > can > > > > > see > > > > > > from my above arguement it's a very gray area. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:13 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > Well of course I won't complain - I want people to be able to > > download > > > > my > > > > > > mod. > > > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, the law isn't reactive like you're implying. With > > large > > > > > > corporations such as GSI, I shouldn't have to patrol FP looking > for > > > > > > violations - they should not be breaking the law in the first > place. > > > > > > > > > > > > What we're discussing is the ethical implications of FP > essentially > > > > making > > > > > > money off our work. > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:10 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a problem with it, complain to them, as it yours you > > have > > > > the > > > > > > right to do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:00 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by predetermined agreement. > > > > > > > > > > > > If they snag a new version of FLF off some other mirror where I > > > uploaded > > > > > it > > > > > > to, that's not getting my permission. > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Nathan Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:20 PM > > > > > > To: HLCoders > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > What makes you say that? Isn't it possible that there was a > > > > predetermined > > > > > > agreement? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:07 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > But as a mod author, what choice do you have for large scale file > > > > > > distribution if you refuse to use FilePlanet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Telefragged's filesystem is all-but dead, cdrom.com is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I have an inkling that FP never asked for our permission > with > > > FLF. > > > > > > They just saw a new version up, and went ahead and mirrored it > (and > > > now > > > > > > they're charging for it) > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:02 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference however, if u want the files from FP u dont > > HAVE > > > > > > to > > > > > > pay, just wait. > > > > > > If you want the files on a CD you have to pay. > > > > > > Also I'm assuming that if you want a file on FP you have to submit > > it > > > > > > for it > > > > > > to be hosted, where as any monkey with a CD-RW drive can make up a > > CD > > > > > > and > > > > > > flog it, by submitting your files u are giving permission for > those > > > > > > files to > > > > > > be distubuted, same goes for demos on magazine cover CD's, they > > > request > > > > > > permission, which has to be given, before including it, you pay £5 > > for > > > > > > mag + > > > > > > CD but the ppl who made the demo etc dont see any of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for costing, I've had a quick look at dedicated hosting, it > > weights > > > > > > in at > > > > > > $399.95/month plus the same for setup, and this gives u 25gig of > > > > > > transfer, > > > > > > more than that is gonna cost ya more. > > > > > > As you can see, it's not cheap (you could possible get a better > deal > > > but > > > > > > that's besides the point) > > > > > > Now, assume FP has say, 6 servers, ya looking at nearly $2K a > month > > > > > > THATS what u are paying for. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Dynerman David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 6:43 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But earlier, didn't we establish that selling a CD with mods on it > > for > > > > > > more than $0.89 (or the cost of a CD) was illegal? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how much the bandwidth costs divided up are, but I > have > > > an > > > > > > inkling that $6.99 a month is substantially more bandwidth then I > > > > > > personally would use. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like burning a CDROM with Counter-Strike, FLF, and DOD on > it, > > > then > > > > > > selling it for $1.00 (for the cost of the CD of course!) and then > > > $8.00 > > > > > > shipping and handling. > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:29 AM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > The point is, you aint paying for the patches or the mods, you are > > > > > > paying > > > > > > for the upkeep of the servers they are hosted on and the bandwidth > > the > > > > > > servers use, and in doing so yo get a 'thank you' with a personal > > > > > > server. > > > > > > For $6.95 USD (£5 UKP) per month or $59.99 USD (£43 UKP) a year > > that's > > > > > > not > > > > > > really a bad deal, granted it's probably better for us CM users > than > > > > > > dialup > > > > > > however. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's time to face the fact that the time of the 'free internet' is > > all > > > > > > but > > > > > > gone, because of the costs and the lack of advert money now > around, > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > want fast service, ya gonna have to pay for things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Incerdently, I belive all the files (part from maybe 2 unpopular > > ones) > > > > > > I've > > > > > > download have had 3 main servers and a couple of mirrors for them, > > > thus > > > > > > I've > > > > > > never seen that problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:17 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem is, most of the time there are only the personal > > servers > > > > > > and > > > > > > > *ONE* mirror for most of the files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > im not paying $30 or so to download free things. > > > > > > > add that ti $30 for ISP, $60 on average per game, plus hardware. > > > > > > somewhere, > > > > > > > somebodies getting seriously ripped off. > > > > > > > paying the cash for a game to me is fine, but as if im going to > > pay > > > to > > > > > > > download *FREE* patches, and *FREE* mods.its just completely > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -omega > > > > > > > Blackened Interactive > > > > > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > > > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > > > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "_Phantom_" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:10 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I download at all kinds of times, mostly when the US are up as > > > well, > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > never had to wait longer than 40mins for a file off one of the > > > main > > > > > > > servers > > > > > > > > (last one was RtCW multiplayer demo) > > > > > > > > I dont have the money to pay atm so I dont and use the free > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for charging, tech the are charging u so they can maintain > > the > > > > > > system, > > > > > > > > revnues (sp?) from adverts and the like which companys like > this > > > > > > used to > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > to maintain the opertations have all but vanished, if they > dont > > > > > > charge > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > will have to close down (hosting + bandwidth charges for > > something > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > fileplanet are gonna be huge!!! so after everyone pays their > $x, > > I > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > how much, but I know it's not much, I doubt they are turning a > > > huge > > > > > > profit > > > > > > > > as they dont charge per download, just per month/year) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you dont like them hosting your files, email them and tell > > 'em > > > to > > > > > > stop, > > > > > > > > as you are the copyright holder of the work then they have no > > > choice > > > > > > (as > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > understand it), however, imho that's just petty.. if I produce > > > > > > something > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > want it to reach as wider audiance as I can, if some ppl chose > > to > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > $$$$ to download files quicker, all power to 'em I say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > > > > > please visit: > > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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