I agree wholeheartedly. Even though I'm against this whole update deprecating Menuselect code, I feel that it is a wholly different situation than something like adding access to money values, as the menuselect code is easily mod-independant. There would be no issues with such a proper menu from working in any of the Source mods, which is why I have a problem with the fact that a hack is even necessary for such a menu. If Valve wants us to stop using hacks in our code, why not give us something proper to use instead that suits our needs?
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] MenuSelect > > Add Access to the users money via IPlayerInfo. > > It's a generic interface meant to be mod-independant. You would have to > be able to derive a special CCSPlayerInfo from it. Same with CS 1.6, > you couldn't just get money from the entvars, you had to find the offset > from the CBaseEntity base in pvPrivateData (omg hax!)... this is > reasonable, since Valve has no reason to abstract that sort of thing. > > ~dvander > > Ray wrote: > > > > I too am highly disappointed in valve.. > > Ive spent months of time and many ,many hours trying to > > make admining our servers an easy thing to do, and making the menus > > were more for peoples requests to do so, than anything else. > > > > The provided api for everything is less than adequate on all accounts. > > Valve, Alfred, you would Like to know what things are needed? > > In game menus, not having to hit esq and block my view of the person im > > about to > > kick or ban. Leave the menus in ...and allow them to be selectable as to > > what the > > command they send on selection the way the esc menus do. > > The reason the menus are being taken out..is because of the Source TV proxy > > problem > > that sending the create menu messages to srctv caused.. > > Valve had to spend time troubleshooting that..and now the price for there > > time is to disable something > > they do not document..other than the 2 dozen source files in the sdk that > > shows there use. > > The correct solution is to have the srctv ignore user messages that it > > doesnt need. > > (as well as us developers taking the time to not send user messages to bots > > or hltv) > > Please provide the radio command menu as is or with programmer selectable > > commands the same way the esc menus use..Some times being able to hit the > > menu choices requires quick action... > > Shutting them down will break everyone's plugin and make it so that > > administering our servers is a difficult task again. > > > > The effects interface seems pretty much an afterthought. > > Ok for sparks and smoke ..useless for much more, > > how about bloodstreams and flames and who knows what else. > > > > Add Access to the users money via IPlayerInfo. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > At 12:12 PM 05/20/2005, you wrote: > > > >> I have to agree that this is a really strange and frustrating approach > >> to take > >> on Valve's part. I'm more disappointed in Valve that there was zero > >> forewarning > >> before they wished to push such a big change onto everyone in the middle > >> of the > >> night. I'm going to start another thread on this topic. > >> > >> -Mattie > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:24 AM > >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] MenuSelect > >> > >> > >>> Its so good to know that Valve cares so much about its customers.. > >>> Ive never seen any warning about using a documented SDK user message. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >From Alfred Reynolds: > >>> > >>> > > They are using an undocumented hack to display those menus, this > >>> > > update removes the hack and so they can no longer use it (because > >>> > > the last subsystem that was using it, radio menus, has finally been > >>> > > fixed to be client side). They have a plugin API to display > >>> > > messages to users and get feedback, they should use that. > >>> > > > >>> > > - Alfred > >>> > > >>> >They were warned multiple times to not use the hacks they were, so > >>> it is > >>> upon their > >>> >own heads. > >>> > >>> >- Alfred > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, please > >>> visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
