I really applaud Valve for the effort that they've put into this. By
getting us involved you get to test it out on a wide variety of machines
and system configurations. It's good to see that you are stepping up your
efforts and that you are thinking of having beta engine releases before
real releases (to help smooth out the process). Seeing this much of an
improvement is something I have a deep respect of you for, as you VERY
rarely see a company improve this quickly (and also after the community
reaming that you received as well). Now if only my previous employer
could do this as well...

Anyways, good work guys!

-----Original Message-----
From: "Erik Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:17:47 -0700
Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Steam UI Update

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> This is something we're definitely thinking about given the success of
> the UI beta.
>
> We're going to try this out with the upcoming SDK release as well,
> which
> is a week or two off.
>
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>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin
> Davison
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:54 AM
> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Steam UI Update
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> I think this has been a resounding success, valve probably would not
> have
> found all these bugs before releasing the update.
>
> Now this got me thinking, what if this optional command was extended to
> the
> actual engine? It would certainly help valve to prevent another patch
> like
> the 9/30 patch.
>
> Say for example, there is a normal 'source engine.gcf' which we would
> launch
> normally and there would be a 'source engine beta.gcf' which we would
> launch
> our mods and valve games on the launch properties like -betaengine.
>
> This would help us the MOD community test for breaking changes and if
> we
> started having problems that valve couldnt produce with their Q&A
> process.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> On 10/10/05, Tim Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting article about UI design paradigm changes. If you're into
> UI,
> > this
> > is a great website even if the author has pretty strong opinions.
> >
> > http://www.useit.com/alertbox/wysiwyg.html
> >
> > Quoting "Dan Stevens (IAmAI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
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> > > http://www.cstrike-planet.com/steamskins/
> > >
> > > So why does it have a skin menu in settings?
> > >
> > > On 10/10/05, Andrew Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Steam is not skinnable enough.
> > > >
> > > > On 10/9/05, Tim Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > The irony is that before windows, people complained about
> > inconsistent
> > > > UI
> > > > > design, and found the Mac then Windows UI a blessing to unify
> > things.
> > > > Guess if
> > > > > you've watch things long enough you see it goes full circle.
> > Frankly, I
> > > > welcome
> > > > > our UI standard overlords!
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting "Andrew (Bromfitsen)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
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> > > > > > What's the point in having a program that follows windows
> > "Standards"
> > > > if
> > > > > > 99.9% of the people using it would rather it not look like
> the
> > > > THOUSANDS of
> > > > > > generic, boring and uninspired applications that they already
> have
> > > > > > installed? The new UI is much better than the old one, and I
> > > > congradulate
> > > > > > valve on making the change. But if they were to make it
> conform to
> > a
> > > > classic
> > > > > > windows theme I would much rather use the dull UI that it
> > currently
> > > > uses.
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