Actually it was valid in the first place, as unsolicited means packets that it did not ask for or make it self available for which any router does, considering the the way you used the term.
As far as what is a router, the term is confused a bit nowadays. A router simply routers packets from one host/network to one or many hosts/networks. What most consumers have are low traffic routers with a firewall added on and a few other features such as DNS and DHCP. It's still a low-traffic router as well as being a multi-function low-traffic/horsepower network device. Most enterprise routers do not have a built-in firewall with SPI as consumer routers do because they are not meant to be multifunction, ALA cisco PIX firewalls. That is changing some nowadays. In any case, they are all routers, just with differen't Oses and feature sets. That should answer your question as well Ook :) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:55 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Router tips WAS "Re: [hlds] Ban list." Not to be a dick now, but the router that the original poster had suggested runs around $100. We're not talking about enterprise grade routers here. So my call to you that routers that don't block unsolicited incomming requests by default was valid because in the context of this entire fucking "thread", commercial, off the shelf, sell'em at Radio Shack routers are being discussed and all of them should and do. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you are going out of your way to be "right" when you're not in this case. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:03:55 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I beg to differ > > It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default > > Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or > Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they > are doing and what they are talking about. > > Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling > these devices "real routers" and anything else "shitty" > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a > > server behind it. > > > > Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless > > it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall > > protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT > > mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). > > > > Please read up before replying. > > > > > > ~Tony > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really > > > are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as > > > simple as that. > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a > > > > true problem with their routers. > > > > 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go > > > > wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the > > > > old > > > > BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you > > > > have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS > > > > though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. > > > > 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming > > > > requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your > > > > need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic > > > > comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. > > > > > > > > ~Tony > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
