I disagree however, the fact that people are turning their cl_interp values down is a large part the cause of the low rate users "warping" or being harder to hit. It is no doubt however that there is an impact to model placement accuracy with cmdrate set so low, whether by lack of human compensation or algorithmic, or simply not enough data.
You can see players on 56k connections running low rates and high cl_interp values having a really good gaming experience at times - it just takes some common sense. This problem has been going on for quite some time, and the few rate checking plugins I have seen floating around were built very inefficiently. On 7/21/05, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Alfred > Online, if people drop their rates low cl_cmdrate, cl_updaterate, rate etc > They get a really low consistent scoreboard ping > (Although I have to say that it is not necessarily always the case that a > low scoreboard ping = low rates) > See pic here: > http://whisper.ausgamers.com/pictures/sourcepings/de_dust_pcg0003.jpg > BUT, they (the players with extremely low rates) are extremely choppy on > other peoples screens, making them very difficult aim at and even harder to > hit > It would be good if sv_minrate and sv_minupdaterate enforced the equivalent > client side miniums > So an sv_minrate of 3000 would mean a client could could not set their rate > setting lower than 3000 and sv_minupdaterate = 30 meant that clients > cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterates also could not be lower than 30 regardless of > whatever setting the client may try to have, either by exec'ing a config, > manually typing in the commands or using some sort of alias that tries to > by-pass it. > Does that make sense and help ? > Cheers > > On 7/22/05, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Could I have a synopsis of the problems you are seeing please. > > > > - Alfred > > > > ----Original Message---- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K2 Sent: > > Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:39 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle > > > > > I've been getting my fair share of cl_cmdrate exploiters as well, > > > using the Mani admin plugin to check up on suspected exploiters has > > > been a big help. I haven't seen any undue impact on server > > > performance due to clients using a cmdrate that low... if anything, > > > you'd think it'd actually help (client not requesting as much data > > > from the server per tick). > > > > > > Suggestion - Valve should set a minimum/maximum range on cl_cmdrate > > > and other cvars; there's no good reason that I can think of for the > > > client to drop their cl_cmdrate setting below default (30). > > > > > > Whatcha think Alfred, can Valve lock down or set a min/max range on > > > some of these settings we're discussing here? > > > > > > - K2 > > > http://www.hardfought.org > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris K > > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:22 AM > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] rate toggle > > > > > > I get 'em every day with the 5 pings. I use Mani and just toggle > > > cmdrate back to 30. I don't know about stopping people from EVER > > > toggling, doubt you can do that. > > > > > > Since you brought up rates, I have been wanting to ask. Does > > > "cl_cmdrate 0" on a client really impact server performance? I would > > > love to hear any good arguments for or against. I cannot seem to find > > > any good info in the forums. > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -- > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] is there any way to > > > > stop people from rate toggling , kid had a 1 ping in my > > > > server last night. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
