Have the list sort by ping by default.

Not servername, otherwise the idiots with 200 spaces in front of their
servername get seen at the top.

Not randomized, because I dont want to see a random list, I go straight to
filter by ping - Just do it that way!

----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] The logic behind steams server browser is incorrect from
eupe.


> It's a constant battle to fight this method of IP preferencing but in the
> first 5 seconds of your video....long live Dallas Killzone :
[RaynServ.Com]
>
> Heh heh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Barker
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:27 AM
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] The logic behind steams server browser is incorrect
from
> eupe.
>
> The IP fanning method in action:
> http://pub-i.com/misc/jjb/cs1.wmv (sorry, made this video a while back
> and WME's desktop recorder was the only thing handy)
>
> I'm in chicago, basically you see it find a few random servers around
> the midwest, and then take a global (minute long) detour pinging servers
> in europe/etc to little or no avail, and then finally bring back some of
> the nicer datacenter servers in the 2xx. range ...
>
> The speed improves a lot if I restrict the region, but not many think to
> do that ...
>
> (To get that ip address field just right click one of the column titles)
>
> I'm not really sure what can be done about this
>
> Encourage clients to set the region filter somehow?
> -though I understand the region settings aren't quite fine-grained
> enough for some parts of the world.
>
> Apply favortism to known datacenter-owned subnets?
> -good for datacenters ..
>
> Randomize it?
> -I guess that's somewhat fair ...
>
> Hmm
>
>
> Ian mu wrote:
> > when you do a refresh, right click on a server and view server info
> > and check the IP address. Mine are all 81.x.x.x and 82.x.x.x, my IP is
> > 81.x.x.x. They "look" as though they are in order of latency, but
> > thats not the whole picture.
> >
> > It's a fairly well known issue, and some ISPs have even been changing
> > their ip:ports where possible to get further up the list for more
> > people.
> >
> > Absolutely crazy design that whoever designed should be shot for.
> >
> > On 7/27/05, Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>doesnt with me, just when ever i click on the latency to sort it
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Clayton Macleod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:59 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [hlds] The logic behind steams server browser is incorrect
> from
> >>eupe.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>um, doesn't it default to sorting by ping/latency? Does here.
> >>>
> >>>On 7/27/05, Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>The logic is incorrect.
> >>>>According to alfred, the servers closest to your IP display first.
> >>>>For example i have 80.0.0.1, and a server 80.0.0.2 then that server
will
> >>>>show first.
> >>>>Allthought here in most parts of eurpe, client IPs start mostly with
> >>>>6x.xx.xx.xx or 8x.xx.xx.xx (8x is most commen).
> >>>>But all the data centers server providers have other ranges (mostly
> >>>>2xx.xx.xx.xx) Meaning the servers being most close to us, actually
dont
> >>>>get
> >>>>listen on top as they should be (best performance/pings 1st).
> >>>>
> >>>>Saint K.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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