I'll have to do some more testing when the server isn't full.  It's a pretty
popular one so the load will drop off at about 3am EST.

The thing that bothers me is that another server on the same machine is
starting secure.  Both servers were loading using TCAdmin so they contain
the exact same config files.  The only difference is the IP, Hostname, AMXX
user.ini and amx.ini configs (admins and banner messages) and the
banned.cfg/listip.cfg files.

I'll try a reboot during a non-peak hour to see if the problem goes away.

Thanks,
-D

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Desolate_One
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] Server refuses to start secure

The issue I see on our servers is that it will reboot, says VAC Secured, but
roughly 5 minutes later switch to insecure for an unknown reason.
As a rule of thumb the server will boot in secure mode, but randomly switch
to insecure. This is totally random, no one server will display the same
issue repeatedly.

We appear to have our configuration spot on, firewalling on our side is not
the key, we stagger our reboots to avoid clashes, each server is assigned a
unique port within the range you have suggested on the website.

So were down to the backend servers [for us at least] not being able to
process the request for secure status, or removing the status given
afterwards, for some reason [if this is possible], because as I stated the
server starts secure but reverts after up to 5 minutes.

Hopefully our own team can get some code down to ensure we do not have
insecure servers running.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2005 12:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] Server refuses to start secure

There are 3 causes of this that I know of.

One is a code bug related to multiple servers starting up around the same
time on a single machine, we have a fix in testing for that.

One is caused by the backend servers being down for maintenance or updating.
Our work on the new Friends is causing frequent updates (as part of our
deployment and testing), if you startup during that time your server will
say it is insecure. We are working on code changes to better expose the
backend connection vs. secure status in the console, and are also working on
improving backend server availability.

The final cause is due to local configuration problems, in particular
firewalling of the Steam ports. Our support site contains details on the
ports you need to expose. If you generally connect to Steam on your server
correctly then this is most likely not your problem (but when setting up a
new server then this is the most common problem).

- Alfred

Desolate_One wrote:
> This is a constant issue across our 20 CS and 20 CSS servers, we have
> staggered the ports, staggered the restarts, but still they often and
> irregularly will not go to secure mode.
> I'm hoping our own dev team can add a few lines of code to our server
> checker that well ensure the server stays at secure mode.
>
> But in reality I would hope that VALVe could come up with a solution
> to servers that wish to be secure will only start as such, after all
> we want them secure, we don't run the insecure command, so we need
> VALVe in on this as well, solving why they do not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> infexXxiousservers
> Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2005 10:13 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Server refuses to start secure
>
> whats -pingboost 3 do in the commandline
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlueHawk^4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Server refuses to start secure
>
>
>> Add -sport <port #> to the start line.
>>
>> So you would have something like
>>
>> Hlds.exe -secure -pingboost 3 -console -game dod +ip 72.36.232.50
>> -port 27015 -sport 27016 +maxplayers 32 +map dod_charlie +exec
>> server.cfg -dll addons\metamod\dlls\metamod.dll
>>
>> The -secure isn't required as its secure by default.
>>
>> See if that helps.
>>
>> Gavin Rodgers
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>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My win2k3 server has
>> decided to no longer starts secure.  The odd this about it is that
>> the other instances on the server seem to start just fine. They're
>> all built off the same template so the only real difference is the
>> startup command line, the installation locatation and their
>> server.cfg.
>>
>> I thought maybe this was an update issue so I ran a manual update on
>> the server.  It did DL an update, but the server is still listed as
>> insecure.
>>
>> Here is my startup command line:  (I moved the location of -secure to
>> see if it made a difference. it didn't)
>>
>> Hlds.exe -secure -pingboost 3 -console -game dod +ip 72.36.232.50
>> -port 27015 +maxplayers 32 -secure +map dod_charlie +exec server.cfg
>> -dll addons\metamod\dlls\metamod.dll
>>
>> Hlds.exe -pingboost 3 -console -game dod +ip 72.36.232.50 -port 27015
>> +maxplayers 32 -secure +map dod_charlie +exec server.cfg -dll
>> addons\metamod\dlls\metamod.dll
>>
>> Liblist.gam has:
>> secure "1"
>>
>> 11:23:59 hostname:  [dgx] #16 - 24/7 Charlie - South
>>          version :  47/1.1.2.5 3305 insecure
>>          tcp/ip  :  72.36.232.50:27015
>>          map     :  dod_charlie at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
>>
>> 11:24:20 CPU   In    Out   Uptime  Users   FPS    Players
>>           6.20  6.28  9.65       6    10   93.11       4
>>
>> Any ideas on what to try next?
>> --
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